It's so barren here...


A film, which is so rich in many ways - not least in terms of potential discussion. It is a shame in one way, to see the message boards empty, but gratifying in another not to have to endure someone moaning about IMDB ratings or wanting to be spoonfed interpretations.

It has been a long time since a film had a power over me like this one had - right from the get go. Honestly the first 30 minutes seemed to me an eternity. That shot of the fish tank nearly popped me right out of my seat. Tell me, if anyone passing sees this post, what is your interpretation of the end? My wife reckoned the police had arrived for Charles. I initially thought that they had arrived for his wife, but after thinking a little more about Chabrols final shot where Hélène and their son become obscured by the bushes, I think it is more likely she's right. Does Chabrol give us enough clues to determine his ending or is he leaving it as ambiguous as possible?

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The last shot of the film was marvellous.I think Charles telling cops the truth

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I agree that this is a powerful film; somehow, even when we are only seeing the interactions of Charles and Hélène in their home, the suspense is taut. Leave it to the French to make the real drama the everyday moments between the husband and wife, rather than the murder of the wife's lover!

As to the ending, whether or not anyone is convicted of the crime isn't really the point. The final scene focuses not on the crime, but rather on the love between the Desvallées, which, strangely, has become stronger as a result of the affair and the murder. Hélène, rather than being frightened or outraged because of her husband's involvement in her lover's death, burns the only evidence (the photo of Pegala) that might incriminate him. And the final scene is like a ceremony: Charles and Hélène voice their love almost as if they were renewing their vows. "I love you," Charles avows, and Hélène replies in kind. And as if that weren't enough, Charles repeats, "I love you like a fool." This is sort of a confession, but it is also a hint as to what happens at the close of the film.

If you add this "I love you like a fool" to the look Charles gives his wife and son in the final moments, it becomes clear that Charles not willing to let Hélène suffer. After all, Hélène is the one in danger, not Charles. As far as we know, the police have no reason to connect Charles to the murdered Victor Pegala; Charles was careful at the scene of the crime to wipe away fingerprints and to put things back where they belonged so that no one would know he had been there. The photograph that Hélène burned was the only evidence that would have incriminated him, and the police had not seen it before it was destroyed. But because Pegala had Hélène's name in his address book, she may very well be a suspect. What's more, the Police are making a THIRD visit, which means that they have a reason to come to the Desvallées (or think they do). That fact and the pregnant look Charles gives Hélène in the final moment add up to Charles' confession.

Well ... at least for me ;)

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Ahh what a good post! Of course, you're completely right.

You know I got so hung up on the "Femme Infidèle" thing... The title lends such an intensity of suspense right from the word go, that I found myself immediately on the edge of my seat. Hélène exudes such power early on in the film. I craved the presence on the screen of this Femme Infidèle and Chabrol has her positively float around in some scenes. In particular, the scene where she returns after "lunch", the camera is actually craning around the door to get an early glimpse of her. I felt every ounce of Charles jealousy and misdirected desire. I think that is exactly what the director sought in these early scenes, but somewhere along the line (after the murder) I failed to return. I failed to embrace the little familys simple return to domesticity. I should have spotted it when the jigsaw was remade - oh well, I must rewatch at some stage...

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Good point about the jigsaw puzzle. I missed that! ;) You KNOW Chabrol did that on purpose.

Another significant object is the overgrown cigarette lighter. By giving the gift that Charles gave her to Victor, Hélène has transferred her romantic attraction (read: fire) to Victor Pegala. This is part of what inflames (pardon the pun) Charles: he is cool, calm, and collected until he sees the lighter next to the bed; then suddenly he's pale and sick. Also, he opens the lighter and lights it, then he extinguishes it, just as moments later he does with Victor's life, which is a way of extinguishing his wife's attraction for him. (Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but I think all these possibilities are significant.)

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Another significant object is the overgrown cigarette lighter. By giving the gift that Charles gave her to Victor, Hélène has transferred her romantic attraction (read: fire) to Victor Pegala. This is part of what inflames (pardon the pun) Charles: he is cool, calm, and collected until he sees the lighter next to the bed; then suddenly he's pale and sick. Also, he opens the lighter and lights it, then he extinguishes it, just as moments later he does with Victor's life, which is a way of extinguishing his wife's attraction for him. (Maybe I'm overanalyzing, but I think all these possibilities are significant.)
Nice observations and spot on IMO.
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Charles says he loves his wife like a "fou" which can mean fool but it also means mad. Indeed the subtitle says "I am crazy about you" which I think is what he was trying to convey to Helene and a stronger meaning than fool. He killed her lover because he was crazy about her. Perhaps after the event he could see more clearly that he had to confess to the police, maybe to clear his wife, maybe to clear his conscience after a moment of madness.

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The police do have something on Charles: the crash on the way back from Neuilly proves he was in the area, and when they leave after their second visit Duval hints as much. The third visit therefore I think is to arrest him.

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Don't overlook the private detective. Once he becomes aware of the murder, which would surely be publicized, he would doubtless contact the police to tell them of the husband's involvement.

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Thanks for your various insights!

On first viewing, I did think that it was the accident that gave the
cops a crucial clue. There'd be a record of where it took place.
But on second viewing, I see that the accident was a considerable
distance away from the crucial address. And Charles never actually
denied having been in Neuilly.

So, what evidence implicated him? Or were the police going after
Helene, and Charles voluntarily intercepted them?

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Could be true.
Though I am a bit astonished that almost everyone seems to think along these lines. To me, the end is much too ambiguous for the assumption that the two officers come with certainty to the house - any certainty of their own account. The accident was too far away, no evidence. The body probably not found, the Benz not searched, I can barely see on what accounts they think they can nail him. Or did I miss anything during the second, and still brief, interrogation?

If not, I imagined something else. She found the picture, saw the reverse side, had to know what had happened, used the phone, and therefore knew the outcome. The distance with which she observed her husband spoke words. And the looks even more. In my books that's exactly not the looks of a wife who loves her husband like mad. Static, emotionless face and looking somewhere else conveys a different meaning to me. In my opinion he knew that the game was up, said he loved her like mad - which he actually must have done for all he had done. And she was sort of content that the matter was over. To me she didn't burn evidence, but closed the lid on the relationship with Pegala.

Is this really too far fetched?

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I really didn't notice much similarity to Lyne's Unfaithful

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I don't think it's that ambiguous, but it's still captivating. Especially the married couple's last moments together.

What remains a little ambiguous to me where the private detective's words of disdain (or at least not approving of Charles' asignment to follow his wife). I wonder if he felt what might the outcome turn out to be, or just disapproved of following cheating spouses?

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I think it probable that the police had come to arrest Charles. These were excellent detectives, it's quite certain they would have discovered the private detective, and the accident too. I'm sure Charles was confessing to them at the end. However things might not look so black for Charles. His marriage has been strengthened and he's living in France, the one country in which a crime of passion can be used as a defense to a murder charge. He could well walk away with no prison time at all.

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That is exactly what i was thinking even if he does some time, his marriage was solid, she would wait for him and that is the last thing the director wants us to figure out they came together out of his crime. I did not really feel she loved the other guy that much anyway.

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Agreed that the affair of the wife with Victor was probably on the wane, particularly when she seemed put out to learn that he had two kids and an ex-wife. If she had a history of picking men up for a bit of extra-marital excitement, maybe the time was coming to think of a new one? In the event, though the disappearance of Victor worried her for a while, is not the strong implication of the last few frames that the family was firmly reunited?

By the way, why should we think that the police sniffed out the private detective, who would surely have been very discreet over what for him was an unwelcome assignment? Alternatively, why would the detective have shopped the husband to the police?

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The end was perfect, indeed. As I view it it's quite ambiguous. Right before the police arrived Hélène (the wife) shows her son that she has fixed the puzzle, but the puzzle could be seen as a symbol for multiple things. It's obvious that the puzzle represents the murder (especially when the son accuses the father of hiding the piece), however it could also be seen as their marriage/family (when they argue they essentially destroy the puzzle). As it's the mother who fixed the puzzle, I guess she's done with Victor and their marriage/family is saved. The very last shot however shows that the conflict is yet to be solved. With all the doubts Chabrol put into the film (about Hélène possibly having more affairs - Paul and Frederic are potential canidates going by the way they are introduced to us - and also about the state of their marriage) I think that he hints it's time for being open to solve the conflict. This would mean that Charles is turning himself in at the end. However multiple interpretations are possible, this is just mine. Ultimately this was an insanely well crafted film. I especially loved the scene right before the end with the puzzle (so much symbolic imagery right there).


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