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authentic like 'Dollars trilogy'?


i wondered if this film was the same authenticity like the Dollar's trilogy? the sergio leone look and eveything.

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LOL not sure what you mean by "authentic" -- the thing I like most about the Leone films and spaghetti westerns in general, is how surreal they are compared with classic era American made westerns. They are like brutal, stylish cartoons for grown-ups.

Does the film have the same kind of attention to detail and conviction about it's subject matter? Yes. I'd put this one on the same level of artistry as the Leone films, sort of between FAFDM and TGTB&TU as far as complexity and scope. It's somewhat lower budgeted than TGTB&TU, there aren't any sweeping crane shots filled with hundreds of extras or fully built bridges being dynamited for real, but it also doesn't meander as much and the focus is more on the story.

Please try to see it in widescreen if you can.

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Spaghetti westerns are unfairly lumped together with that sort of description of "style over authenticity."
Actually, within the genre there is quite a lot of variety. You'll find some that abandon the style for more authenticity. Just as much if not more so than most American made westerns....some of which have TOO much hollywood style for my tastes.

Some of the more famous ones are obviously of the more stylistic with rather surreal touches, but that is far from representative of all spaghetti westerns.

Apart from that, Squonkamatic has described it very well.


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Its art/production/costume design - if that's what you mean by the Leone look - is quite similar to the Dollars Trilogy; Most of the men have sun-scorched, dirty, sweaty, unshaven faces and the heros and bad guys all have beat-up dusty clothing that looks as if they haven't changed clothes in, oh, about 15 years. The Mexican henchmen look great - all ugly and mean as hell, and wear the same type of costumes as Indio's gang - bell-bottomed trousers, enormous sombreros, long greasy hair, facial scars, etc.
The sets and buildings are all just as weather-beaten, delapidated and dusty as the main characters. There's lots of dust, except for the opening scene which takes place during a late-night downpour of biblical proportions, so everything is completely soaked and muddy.
The whole film looks like what you'd imagine a violent, anarchic wild west setting would look like. It does NOT look like your typical Hollywood western where all the men are clean-shaven and wear clean pressed shirts with cute little bolo ties, and live in bucolic, freshly painted little frontier towns.

DRAH is one of my favorite spaghettis, partially because of the dirty, worn look of the film. The only copy I have seen is the faded, grainy old 16mm print available on budget DVDs, and I LIKE they way it looks. It perfectly complements the dirty, worn appearance of everything on screen.

Plus, it's a very entertaining story full of black humor, and memorable one-liners. None of the characters are "good" people. They are all bandits and murderers of one sort or another, except John Phillip Law, but even he is driven only by murderous vengence. There are no female characters to speak of.

Morricone's score is great, especially during the opening massacre; a huge, recurring "GONNNGGG!" sound, and various low, rumbling, atonal instruments, more like a horror film than a western. Highly Recommended.

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Do NOT expect a film on the level of the Leone westerns. In fact, don't expect a good movie on any level except whenever Lee Van Cleef is onscreen.

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I disagree with guaili and think seanmoliver64 is spot on.

DRAH isn't really an epic like TGTBTU but it does have the same gritty look as FAFDM. The film also bears a lot of the trademarks that Leone used in his westerns. The bad guys are all weather-beaten, dirty and craggy. Even the good guys are flawed, Ryan used to be a member of the gang and Bill is motivated solely by revenge. The film has lots of stylish set-pieces like a Leone western and the villains in particular do indeed resemble Indio or Ramon's henchmen with the same dress sense. The musical score was also directed by Ennio Morricone and the film has over-the-top sound effects like a Leone western. The only thing that looks a little bogus is Bill's outfit. I think it looks like something you would pick up from a cheap fancy dress store. Apart from that the film looks pretty authentic by spaghetti western standards.

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It's like a cheap copy of the Leone westerns, and that's not good. You can tell if Leone had made it, it would have been another epic, but alas, he could not direct them all.

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In some ways it reminds me of For A Few Dollars More as a lot of the elements are similar. It is a cheap movie compared to the westerns Leone was making. That doesn't ruin the enjoyment factor for me though. If Leone had made DRAH it still wouldn't of been an epic though because the story isn't epic in scale. TGTBTU and OUATITW are truly epic westerns because they had to be. The stories Leone told in those movies were big, epic and grand. The story in DRAH is fairly small in scale and yes it would of been another great Leone western had he directed it. Gulio Petroni did a decent job though. DRAH may have a few flaws but its entertaining and much, much better than most of the other Leone rip-offs.

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In this case by epic I meant it would have been great if Leone had directed it. DRAH can be enjoyable but it was a huge letdown, especially as I bought it as a two pack with another cheap western starring Lee Van Cleef that I watched first and was quite fun, and I was expecting DRAH to easily surpass it.

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Ah, sorry I misunderstood you regarding the epic thing. What was the other Van Cleef film you saw as I wouldn't mind checking it out myself? I've only seen one or two of Van Cleef's other cheap westerns. One of them was called The Grand Deul which was ok but it had pacing issues. It did have a great theme tune though which is a plus. I guess its all personal preference though right?

My top spaghetti westerns would probably be:

1) The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
2) For a Few Dollars More
3) Once Upon a Time in the West
4) Fistful of Dollars
5) Death Rides a Horse
6) Django
7) Duck you Sucker aka Fistful of Dynamite

People say that the Great Silence is a good spaghetti western. I watched it but didn't think it was all that. The low budget look and dodgy camera work were a bit of a distraction.

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The other cheap spaghetti western was "Beyond the Law". I don't remember anything about it except that it was fun and after that I was really expecting Death Rides a Horse to be even more fun, but nah.

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Ah, Beyond the Law. I think I have seen the IMDB page for that one before. I'll check it out. Thanks for the info!

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Just don't check it out expecting too much and you will be fine. ;)

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Lol, yeah I won't expect too much :) I saw an interesting Burt Lancaster western today called Lawman. Have you seen it? It was a pretty good movie and raised some equally interesting questions about law and order.

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Haven't seen Lawman.

Spaking of westerns, just today I bought the novel "Blue Eyed Devil" by Robert Parker. It stars the same characters as "Appaloosa", which was made a few years ago into a movie starring Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen, and it's a great western and movie overall. If you haven't seen "Appaloosa", you should get it.

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Yeah I bought Appaloosa on dvd a while back. It's a great western and I thought Ed Harris and Viggo were very good as always. I watched The Big Gundown again today for the first time in ages too and I forgot how good it is. I was fortunate enough to see the extended version and I now think its another one of the best non-Leone spaghetti westerns.

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I'm really liking "Blue-eyed Devil". It reads like a script, actually, because it conveys everything from what the characters are saying and their expressions and reactions, all told from Hitch's point of view. Now that I'm reading it I'm realizing just how much Ed Harris and Viggo Mortenssen hit the nail in the head with their take on Cole and Hitch. Last night I couldn't help it and bought online a used copy of "Appaloosa", I certainly am a fan now. If you like to read, I highly recommend this book.

Never heard of "The Big Gundown", will check it out.

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By the way, I meant a used copy of the book "Appaloosa". I already own the movie.

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Thanks, I will check out the book. The Big Gundown is a nice spaghetti western with Lee Van Cleef and Tomas Milian. If you do manage to find a copy make sure its not the edited version which is crap and cuts out a lot of scenes and characters.

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Ah, sorry I misunderstood you regarding the epic thing. What was the other Van Cleef film you saw as I wouldn't mind checking it out myself? I've only seen one or two of Van Cleef's other cheap westerns. One of them was called The Grand Deul which was ok but it had pacing issues. It did have a great theme tune though which is a plus. I guess its all personal preference though right?

My top spaghetti westerns would probably be:

1) The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
2) For a Few Dollars More
3) Once Upon a Time in the West
4) Fistful of Dollars
5) Death Rides a Horse
6) Django
7) Duck you Sucker aka Fistful of Dynamite

People say that the Great Silence is a good spaghetti western. I watched it but didn't think it was all that. The low budget look and dodgy camera work were a bit of a distraction.

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Death rides a horse is cult spaghetti western.
Yes,Leone's westerns are epic,but this is a cult classic for the true fans of the genre.

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i really loved this movie. it's not as good as Leone's best, but it comes very close (and it's very similar in many ways). i would say Death Rides A Horse is the best non-Leone spaghetti western.

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