what a strange movie


does this movie have some kind of deep meaning to it? it surely isnt a war movie, its more philosophical..
perhaps i have to see it more than once to understand it...

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YES, I think I get it now...okay:
This is about SYMBOLISM. The woman represents INSPIRATION. The castle is the physical representation of ART. The commander has ONE EYE because he is the life force, and, like a human males anatomy which also has one 'eye', he is also, by default, the one who sleeps w/ her. The baker is the bodily need; the failed priest/leutenant, is FAITH. still alive, but sarcastic and pessimistic....the kooky soldier that loves the Volkswagon believes in the physical; the captain is an art lover, he cannot understand that ART being destroyed is alright because the inspiration, represented by a woman that he can never have, survives, along with the SOUL, represented by the black soldier, this is why they are the only thing to 'survive' life. The war is simply the destructive force that eternally destroys. the old count is old europe, decaying and decadent...the name of the castle is 'MAL'DORE', that means 'EVIL GOLD', that is, falsity of life. The only eternal things that survives in the end is the SOUL (to 'record' the event as the 'author')and the INSPIRATION that can create art no matter HOW many times it is destroyed...! That's why he begins to repeat it at the end, because it is a CYCLE.

The characters are symbols, look at many books and movies like that and it will become clear, I even understand the bible now because of a better grasp of symbolism- not that I am religious, even movies/books like 'wizard of OZ' are purposely full of symbols.

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yeah, thanks, I should have added it's a pretty damn good humanistic war movie; the final battle after the rose garden invasion is stunning visually and morally...the idea of the 3 soldiers SOULS speaking to one another, "they climbed the high ramparts and could see all the way home...".
And Becman..!!!
There he is dying, and when asked how he's doing-
,"Keeping busy, sir...."
Good examination of character, and let's face it, that is what a good 'war' movie is!

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hmm
interesting theory. absolutely. i will watch it again now

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Interesting indeed. You raise some refreshingly good points that are nicely thought out.



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I just watched it for the first time last night. Don't know how I managed to miss it in the Seventies. But maybe I wouldn't have understood it then, whereas now I can see that "Andrsbckly" is correct. It is metaphorical - it is satirical, it is symbolic, and it is clever..tragic and funny -- the scene of the 2 soldiers trying to destroy the VW is hilarious, but also meaningful. The car is a German creation and the way it 'survives' predicts that the Germans are going to be hard to stop, and that the men will lose their "defence of the Castle". The Captain is well aware of this throughout the film. The conversation between the soldier musicians, and the death of the German, whom we never see, represents the utter senselessness and waste, of war. You could spend time, make a list of each characterand what they represent... even down to the eye patch that Burt Lancaster wears... revealing his utter commitment to the task, not allowing himself to "see" the point of view of Beckman, the Art Historian. Interesting that Beckman has a German name, although he's an American. So many things within this film, to ponder. The old world is dying, and the child that the Duke's wife carries holds the link to the future - a whole new Europe.

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I remember seeing this movie when I was a kid and hated it. Same with 2001 A Space Odyssey. Boring, confusing, major disappointments.

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Perhaps like 2001 and this film, when you appreciate them you won't be a kid any more.




"Paradise is exactly like where you are now, only much, much better."

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I'm not a kid any more and I thought it was complete bollocks.

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If you think Castle Keep is ballocks then you may be correct, if, however you think the same about 2001 then you are wrong.






Ah! Now we see the violence endemic in the system!

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My comment was about Castle Keep, not 2001. But even if it had included 2001, it would have been my opinion, not 'wrong'. There are no rights and wrongs when it comes to a subjective appreciation of films.

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Inherent, not endemic.

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HTH =]

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit shooting smack...

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The movie may or may not have a explicit strongly symbolic content (I've seen some other messages--unconvincing to me--that make connections between The Red Queen's brothel and hell, that try to make connections between the Castle and something else), but to me it's mainly a movie about war movies, about common romantic tropes about war and warriors (look at the cultural and ethnic makeup of the Americans), and about the absurdity of it all. It's one of my favourite movies, but I personally don't find a particular philosophical message in it beyond the themes of bravery and absurdity.

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Well, I quite agree with that. The movie is not about deep symbolism - even though the symbolism seems to play slightly more important (or obvious) role in the movie than in the book.
The symbolism of Castle Keep is simple, maybe so simple, that it is not a true symbolism, but just grotesque intensification. The castle is full of art, so it represents art - or if you go for more metaphorical meaning, just something higher. (Here it is a bit more complicated, since not everybody sees it as an object of art, but for everybody it represents something important).
The red queen is for pleasure, so it represents basic, animal needs, instincts basically.
The bakery and baker's wife are a nice family image, so it represents normal life - which does not fit in the war mayhem and therefore it seems so dreamlike.
And I agree that it is not a typcial war movie - the Germans are not the enemy. The enemy here, if any, is war - or in its principle - lowering to satisfying of instincts instead of pursuing higher needs. But even then you could still do it in the brave way :D

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Thanks for the insights -- good stuff.

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Strange but very good

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If the quasi-surrealist Bob Dylan of 1965-66 ('Highway 61 Revisited' and "Tarantula") had written a movie about WWII, it might have ended up something like this.

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