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Deleted scenes with Dirk Bogarde

posted 20 years ago by mark-jan
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Hi,

Does anybody know if the deleted scenes where Dirk Bogarde is referring to in his autobiography "Snakes and ladders" (page 291 in the penguin edition) still exist? And will they ever become available on DVD?

"Visconti [...] had hacked most of the big set-piece scenes between Ingrid Thulin and myself out of the picture in favour of those of the incestuous son and his mother"

"But the big scene in my study, the one with Ingrid in the salon, the one after I have done the first murder... all gone, Luchino?"

"And the big scene, walking through the house all alone. The big terror scene?"

It would be very nice to see Bogarde in these pieces!

Thanx!

[–] Carlooto-1 20 years ago

He doesn't exactly mention, however, that they made it into the film--if they were simply left out of the edit, then, most liklely, they no longer exist.

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[–] Krystine-3 17 years ago

Yes, only now DVDs are released with different add-ons, but earlier cuts and others saved don't know where? If in Cinecitta - they can burn down...recently I've heard Cinecitta was in fire...%)))
I think Dirk Bogarde foundation could worry about and find out his best cuts and release something...If people are still in interest to him...

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[–] emuir-1 10 years ago

Apparently when Visconti cut the film down from the original four hours he took out a lot of Dirk Bogarde's scenes in order to refocus the film on Martin rather than Freiderich. I think this was a mistake as Freiderich was as evil and degenerate in his way as Martin, but comes across rather passive leaving you wondering what Sophie saw in him and how did he rise to be such as important man in the family business before he took up with Sophie.

[–] FascistAnarchist999 10 years ago

The "Damned" is one of my favorite movies of all time, but I thought Freidrich's passiveness was rather quick. I know it was because he was losing power, but it shouldn't of happened so quick. This is where those extra scenes would've helped.

[–] Hancock_the_Superb 9 years ago

I agree. Frederick's certainly not a weak pawn in the early scenes - he knows full well what he's doing by siding with Aschenbach and killing Joachim. Of course there's the scene where Aschenbach tries to bully him into funding the party and he's tough and noncommittal. Suddenly he's a blubbering wreck falling into Sophie's arms and terrified about losing control. Seems like big chunks of his characterization were left on the cutting room floor.

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