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Don't most of us ever wanted to be a bank robber?


Don't most of us ever wanted to be a bank robber?

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What are you, 8 ?, 9 ?

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10

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No, but everyone has wanted to break the rules.

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No. Cause it's wrong and in today's world leads to several years in prison.

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I'm sure everybody fantasizes about breaking rules like this at some point or other.
If they don't, then they're either lying, or they have a major lack of imagination.

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Oh, and by the way...mine wasn't a fantasy. 16 years in Terre Haute.

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I've got to admit I've thought about it a few times. But it's just too risky for me.

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You mean you can foresee consequences like death or long-term slam time? It means you have a brain.

The typical armed robbery nets $2,000 and loads of hard time. The typical computer-based heist nets $20K and a couple years in the pokey, ‘cause computers are not classified as deadly weapons, though they should be.

What kind of an idiot sticks up a convenience store?

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Yes, despite evidence to the contrary I do have a brain.

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No, but I have fantasized about killing armed robbers. I get a great feeling of joy when I hear about armed robbers being killed by their victims.

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I would not want to be a bank robber because:

It hurts people financially
It psychologically traumatizes the people who are there
People could get seriously injured
People could get killed
I would probably end up in prison for a long, long time
I could get seriously injured
I could get killed

I could probably think of some other good reasons I never wanted to be a bank robber, but I think those will do for now.

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It is interesting that, in the 60's heading into the 70's, there were a spate of American "bank robber hero" films -- or at least "bank robber anti-hero" films.

Because indeed, bank robbers invariably terrify the "regular citizens"(men, women, and children alike) whom they round up to rob a bank.

In real life in the 70's a group of "revolutionaries" who had kidnapped Patty Hearst robbed a number of banks. But at one of them, there was a middle-aged mother in line to drop off money from her church. One of the robbers' shotguns went off and the mother was killed. THAT's what can happen in a bank robbery(Patty Hearst wasn't there for that heist.)

"Bonnie and Clyde"(1967) was big hit about bank robbers -- a romantic man and woman. "Butch Cassidy" was an even bigger hit about bank robbers -- two men(buddies in platonic love.)

Came the 70's, we had "The Getaway(Steve McQueen and Ali MacGraw as husband and wife bank robbers) and Charley Varrick(Walter Matthau, in a straight role, as a bank robber whose wife helps HIM.)

Interestingly, these bank robber movies had their share of innocent victims. In Bonnie and Clyde, Clyde shoots an old bank clerk point blank in the face. In Charley Varrick, a bank robbery gone bad is a virtual slaughter -- one cop is killed, one is probably killed, a security guard is killed, a male gang member is killed -- and Matthau's WIFE is killed. (This was one helluva Walter Matthau movie!)

Also, in Butch Cassidy, though it is treated as comedy, Butch and Sundance keep blowing up that loyal train employee(George Furth) in different train robberies, until he is in an arm sling with a black eye -- the final dynamite blast just MIGHT have killed him; we never see.

The movies treated their bank robbers differently. Both Bonnie and Clyde and Butch and Sundance die in a fusillade of bullets(we see it with B and C; we don't with Butch and Sundance.) But in both The Getaway and Charley Varrick, the robbers get away at the end(well, the survivor in Charley Varrick.)

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Also, in Butch Cassidy, though it is treated as comedy, Butch and Sundance keep blowing up that loyal train employee(George Furth) until he is in an arm sling with a black eye -- the final dynamite blast just MIGHT have killed him; we never see

The movies treated their bank robbers differently. Both Bonnie and Clyde and Butch and Sundance die in a fusillade of bullets(we see it with B and C; we don't with Butch and Sundance.) But in both The Getaway and Charley Varrick, the robbers get away at the end(well, the survivor in Charley Varrick.)

Butch Cassidy has an unintended consequence these days. When Butch and Sundance go "south of the border" to escape a purusing SuperPosse, they start robbing banks in Bolivia -- two handsome white guys robbing poor "brown people."

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Supposedly all these bank robber movies were hits because they tied into the "new radicalism" of the time, the robbers were seen as revolutionaries versus "the man." But that faded fast.

Today, ALL of these movies are a little disturbing to watch because when the robbers rob the banks, we see them as the villains that they really were.

Indeed, way back in 1969 tough guy TV cop Jack Webb said of Butch Cassidy, "I saw the film. I have no interest in those villains...I want to make a show about the SuperPosse that brought them down. They are the heroes." (The show Webb made, Hec Ramsey with Richard Boone as a frontier cop...wasn't like that.)

So no...I don't want to be a bank robber. And I think these movies -- which made sure to kill off some of the bank robbers -- helped seal THAT deal.

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Although it was about two guys who really lived, "Butch Cassidy" was a lighthearted comedy, so it doesn't bother me. The only one of those movies that kind of disturbs me now (although I loved it when I was young) is "Bonnie and Clyde", a mostly serious movie that romanticizes two psychopathic murderers (in reality they killed more people than is depicted in the movie). Today, I'm more in line with Jack Webb--my hero is the law officer, played by Denver Pyle, who ended up taking them out.

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No one knows what really became of Butch and Sundance. The railway employee's boss was Averell Harriman's father- wonder what he thought of the movie?

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