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Sleazy recon battalion commander, Major Barnes


I'm going to shock every one by proposing that sleazy American reconnaissance battalion commander, Major Barnes, was an effective commander, from an objective military viewpoint.

Sure, the man doesn't inspire admiration and respect.
Sure, the man displays a cringing lack of forthrightness with his men
Sure, the man is eager to please his superiors at the expense of his men.

But from an objective military command viewpoint, however the mission gets accomplished, is what matters, regardless whether your commander is shifty Major Barnes or inspiring George Washington. Inspiring respect and admiration in one's subordinates is simply a side benefit, not an objective.

The same is true if you're working in any company or corporation. Mission accomplishment and strict, immediate obedience from subordinates are far more important and appreciated by the top brass as opposed to any ability to inspire respect, admiration, and greater effort.

I've worked for military and civilian leaders who undersood that concept very well. They were tyrants and bullies. They could care less about gaining your respect and cooperation. They demanded only your immediate, unquestioning obedience and response to orders. Then again, I have worked for leaders who behaved like real leaders and they earned my respect and my greater efforts.

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I think you missed my point. Go back and re-read my post. Of course I'm being facetious about leaders who think the sweatshop tyrant operator is the best means of leadership.

You and I essentially agree that Major Barnes was a lazy coward. You didn't understand my point that lazy, coward Barnes was willing to risk the lives of his men to accomplish his bosses' mission and that's ALL they wanted to know. Too many leaders in today's military and civilian corporations are like the lazy, coward Barnes. But they'll do anything sleazy and cowardly to get the job done, no matter how many backs they have to climb upon to do it. But they'll get the job done and their bosses will show the right appreciation fot it.

Bosses don't care if your immediate boss earned your admiration, respect and inspiration. They just want to know if the job was done. So if your boss is a lazy coward but got the job done, he was, perversely, an effective leader.

I've worked in too many companies that talked out of both sides of the mouth to give lip service about 'human resources', 'people skills', 'employee respect', yet rewarded those managers who were abusive, tyrants, short-tempered, and quick to threaten. I know. I worked for one. My only recourse was to resign and work somewhere else. The company needed a whip-cracker like him to maximize production on the production floor.

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I enjoy debating with you. You're mature enough - I can see - to disagree without resulting to sophomoric insults or vulgar language.

Maybe I've turned cynical and jaded over the years, but I swwear to you, I wasn't born this way. Exposure to poor leaders all my life hardened me. Maybe you're not as old as I am, or maybe you were fortunate to have good bosses.

On the subject of morale, I am shocked and you'll be shocked to hear that WITHIN an organization, military or civilian, the topic of soldier or employee morale DOES NOT COME UP. It is regarded as a PERSONAL problem of the soldier or the employee and a character or personality failing if the individual cannot or will not motivate himself.

I discovered, dances_with_films, that whenever someone discusses the topic or subject of, MORALE, it is ALWAYS from someone OUTSIDE an organization, or from someone writing a book. Put it this way, dances_with_films, if you started and ran your own company and you hired tyrannical, abusive managers to run the employees, BUT your managers always met your productivity and profit targets, you would probably be unwilling to listen to reports of unhappy employees and poor morale. To your own perspective, YOU don't have a morale problem. Your employees have their OWN morale problem and if it's that bad, too bad; they can go work somewhere else. Get the idea, dances_with_wolves? It's easy for outsiders like you and me to critisize an organization when we're NOT employed in it.

In manufacturing factories it is all about, production, production, production. The more you make the more profit, assuming customers want your product. Anytime you're not making production you're losing. Anytime you cannot meet increasing demand, that's lost potential profit. That's why so many factory management and corporate owners treat manufacturing success as FAILURE. What do I mean? If a manufacturing corporation's product is in high demand, there will always be insufficient production. No corporation can afford an unlimited amount of manufacturing machinery to manufacture an infinite increasing amount of production. So the corporate management becomes frustrated and demands higher and higher production with the same number of employees and machinery. Any downtime must be justified. Companies take steps to increase production which actually ends up decreasing production but higher managerment doesn't want to hear it. Legitimate advice from the lower ranks is considered weakness and disloyalty and a lack of commitment to the corporation. This is where whip-cracking abusive managers become valuable. Bad employee morale? That's your problem, not managements and not the corporation. You just can't hack it, so you and I are told to our faces. Our only recourse is to either leave the military after enlistment is up, or resign from the corporation.

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Well put Jeff.

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He wasn't wise to put Hartmans platoon through it they were wasted, get a frsh platoon to do it, he was almost fragged by angel, very real stuff. First war movie to deal with fragging.

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There may not have been a fresh platoon available. My understanding is that all units in the 9th Armored were pushed pretty hard during the operation. Any unit available to take the bridge would have had a rough past couple days.

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