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people who think heston was a ham


just need to see this film and SHUT UP.

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I agree 100%. Heston should have won a best actor oscar for this role. He was one of the great actors of all time.

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Mr. Heston is a fine actor, and a fine man. When I finally hear of his passing, I will truly mourn. Not many Hollywood types today have the kind of integrity and consistancy of character found in Charleton Heston.

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I agree that he should have at least gotten a second Oscar nomination for either this or "Planet of the Apes," but they were both released early in 1968 and so were largely forgotten by the time the Academy members start nominating a year later. I don't think Heston was a great actor, and I'm a big fan of most of his stuff, but I do think that when he was well-directed, had a good script and cared about what he was doing, he was very good. What I always think about "Will Penny" is, "Why the hell didn't Paramount have the sense to release it at Christmas 1967?" Someone should ask Bob Evans that one sometime between the endless ones about "Love Story," "The Godfather" and "Chinatown"!

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Sadly, politics in our nation have gotten so vitriolic that a person who doesn't line up with all the PC from H'wood is immediately demonized, villified and minimized in every humilitaing way possible. This is what modern media outlets have done to Mr. Heston, simply because he stood up for what he believed in.

Does it matter that is was for the 2nd Amendment or against offensive, vulgar rap advocating the murder of policemen?
When leftist actors like Sean Penn or Ed Asner got arrested or protested standing up for what THEY believed in they were called heroic.

Charlton Heston has been called a nazi, a facist, a racist, inhuman, blah blah blah, all because what he stood up for wasn't the politically mandated garbage from Tinsletown.

He was a superb actor with great passion, energy and pathos. The weak little wimps of today (Clooney, Decaprio, etc) could learn a lot from a man like Mr. Heston. But of course they are too enlightened...



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Excellent post, TexasRaider.

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Great post. The Hollywood Ten are held up by the left as these brave souls who were vilified for their political beliefs. But by who were they vilified? By the studio heads.

The same left wing bunch who didn't want to lose a dime by insulting American movie goers by hiring Reds.

The left forces this guilt trip down our throats but ignores the treatment of Heston, Martha Raye, and Cliff Robertson who were treated badly because they stood up for THEIR beliefs.

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Today I heard of Mr. Heston's passing. He will be missed and HOW, and this film should find a new audience. It is certainly one of the best performances EVER of any western film, and it does put to rest the preposterous stereotype of Charlton Heston as a one note actor. May he rest in peace.

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Amen, my friend.

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he sure was great in this



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Now Charleton Heston was a great actor, I can't say I was ever disapointedin any Part he played

That being said

He was a poser

meaning whenever the camera was on him he could strike a pose

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I believe Charlton Heston said this was his favorite movie of any he had done. I think this movie is a pretty realistic portrayal of real life back then. For example, cowboy Will Penny, new man in the bunkhouse, is tested by another cowboy and Penny has to fight in order to be respected. I've been through that kind of thing. There were so many touches like that which made this movie work for me. There may be a romanticized view out there of the life of a "drifter" but this movie made such a life look realistic, if not depressing. (I may not have agreed with Heston's politics, but sure had to admire his movie work.)

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This was one of his best performances, and sadly it is one of his most overlooked and forgotten (overshadowed by Planet of the Apes). Even sadder considering that he often said this was his personal favorite.

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I thought he was miscast in this. I've liked his work in other films, Ben-Hur and Planet of the Apes. He did not seem to be able to convey the Will Penny's combination of brutishness and compassion. He was reaching for it, but he never quite got there IMHO.

He is great at wincing in pain, I'll give him that. Nobody can make you believe that he is in physical agony quite like Charlton Heston. He would have made a good soccer pro.

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I think "brutish" is too harsh a term. The character was simple natured (NOT simple witted), completely uneducated and lacking in any social skills/training. He behaved as the society in which he lived expected him to behave, but he didn't seem to be innately nasty.

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"thought he was miscast in this. I've liked his work in other films, Ben-Hur and Planet of the Apes. He did not seem to be able to convey the Will Penny's combination of brutishness and compassion. He was reaching for it, but he never quite got there IMHO."

Oh come on, he was perfect in this. PERFECT. By far one of his best performances.

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The people who hate Heston also hate America and voted in a racist president who hates in the same way they do. Cowards with no common sense is what they are.

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I think "brutish" is too harsh a term. The character was simple natured (NOT simple witted), completely uneducated and lacking in any social skills/training. He behaved as the society in which he lived expected him to behave, but he didn't seem to be innately nasty.


Right on the dot. You want brutish or innately nasty look no further than the Quints.

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Harry Belafonte, who commented in his recent book that Charlton Heston wasn't a good actor, obviously never saw this movie. He also never saw movies like Heston's farewell performance in "My Father". Since they haven't released that on DVD in America, few have unfortunately. As if playing Moses and Ben-Hur weren't enough.

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Harry B. is kind of an azzhole.

What we have here is failure to communicate!

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Charlton Heston reminds me of the Wizard's self-description in the film: "Oh, I'm a good man -- I'm just a bad wizard."

All I've read about Charlton Heston indicates he was a kind and considerate human being. His Public Radio interview with Terry Gross revealed him as an intelligent and self-critical person.

So why was he such an awful actor? The last time I watched Ben-Hur (an excellent film, despite Heston's presence), I decided it was failure to modulate. He never quite reaches the point of chewing the scenery, but there's little subtlety. Most lines are delivered with his jaw clenched, and his delivery (though rarely over the top) is almost always at emotional extremes. He was a highly mannered actor, and his mannerisms should have been beaten out of him by his acting instructors.

I haven't yet seen Will Penny (it's on my want list), but I suspect the need to play a character far-removed from his daily persona provoked a good performance. (This is hardly unique. Actors usually deliver their best performances when challenged.)

But one role does not a career make. No one forgives Richard Burton's bad performances because he gave a few good ones.

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If this is his best performance, that ain't saying much... I mean, he's by no means BAD, but it's still nothing special. Heston was an entertaining presence, in the manner of, say, John Wayne or Arnold Schwarzenegger... but he and they are not and were not nuanced actors. Donald Pleasance, Anthony Zerbe and even the KID all act him off screen, here!






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just need to see this film and SHUT UP.


This is one of Heston's less hammy performances, I will give you that. This and a handful of other decent performances don't negate the fact that his acting elsewhere was often ludicrously over the top. Heston tended to shout or wail where a slight change in pitch or tone would be more effective, and tended to gesticulate wildly when a shrug or raised eyebrow would have sufficed.

Consequently, I've always thought of Heston as an entertaining actor, though rarely a great one or even a good one. Like John Wayne, he had the good fortune to be typecast in roles that put him in the hands of great directors, cinematographers, and co-stars (like the supporting cast in Ben Hur, or Donald Pleasence in this film), so that the movies were great even though Heston usually was not.

And no, I'm not trying to attack Heston because of his political views, I'm also a lifetime NRA member and a libertarian-leaning conservative. I'm just not one of those people who says "Agree with my political views = great actor/director/writer/musician/painter, disagree with my views = terrible actor/director/writer/musician/painter."

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