What, no rally?


We watch this nonsense for 83 minutes and don't even get to see the big rally? Guess the producers blew the budget on that big Indian raid scene.

Trouble with ANgels was a lovely little film. WHere Angels Go, pretty dreadful, except for in a so bad it's good campy way.

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Oh dear, that was a stupid ending. No rally, no California, nothing. I feel sorry for Rosalind Russell. This movie was terrible in every way.

"Trouble with Angels" had spunky Hayley Mills and Rosalind had much more energy. This one had nothing. I got tired of Stella Stevens after the first 5 minutes.

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Where Angels Go, Trouble Follows(1968) is a flawed film, but it's nowhere as bad as Monster A Go Go(1965), Manos The Hands of Fate(1966), Porno Holocaust(1981), or Zero In and Scream(1968). The Rally Scene was cut from the movie and the actresses in the scene still got credit! The footage of the villain turning into a child in Star Trek: Insurrection(1998) was cut from the movie and the child actor still got credit!

I like the scene where the girl yells, "WHAT PEA BRAIN PULLED THE PLUG?!" She's petrified with fear when she sees the Mother Superior standing in front of her.

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Some of us here actually think this version beats the original a hundred times over. The original US drab and dreary.

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Yeah, it's too bad about the ending. What I would've done is done quick still snapshots of the girls and the nuns at the rally over the closing credits.

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I don't know about some reports that the movie released in the late 60's to theaters did show a few shots from a big peace rally, but that wasn't the point of the movie. It was the point of the trip across the country, while the trip across the country was the changing setting for the conflict between the old & unyielding v. the new & progressive. And it seems every incident or stop on the 'journey' is this same kind of conflict in miniature.

1) When Mother sees evidence and concludes that somebody, and she surely knows who, is riding on top of the bus, and they have gone far enough that it would be more trouble to turn back than to let the unconventional continue.

2) The near disaster at the railroad crossing... seems to carry the message that if you don't continue on, you'll get run over; vaguely referred back to when Sr. George says, "Nothing that remains static can survive!"

3) Staying at the boys' school, the big dance and the homemade bomb instructions... reflects how society is changing from keeping males and females apart, with Mother rigidly enforcing the partition that's left, and indirectly reproaching Fr. Chase for his more relaxed attitude.

4) Washing the bus... going to the automated method instead of "elbow grease." Then being 'too open'-- not anything can be let in; the converse of "don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out"

5) Out of gas and the threatening bikers... Sr. Clarissa, the driver, trusted the 'old' bus and thought the new would be like it; that is, it would still have 5 gallons of fuel when the gauge read empty-- the new may not be understood the same as the old. And the bikers brandishing the knife, then being persuaded to help them is, as Sr. George says, a matter of communication. Don't be too frightened by young, overbold, pushy thugs-- which Sr. George and the girls in the peace protests we had seen were themselves considered to be. Try to establish communications; but this Mother has trouble understanding.

6)The flat tire, Sr. George riding the burro to look for help, then being guests at the boys' ranch, Marvel Ann getting jealous and turning against Sr. George... another mixing the other sisters would not have approved of, but this one is the result of a mishap. Sr. George doesn't like it when she finds her "be on their level" approach leads Marvel Ann to want to look to a higher authority, so she lashes out at Mother for putting herself too far above the girls, and at last Sr. George does begin to wonder if she is fit for the position she is in.

7) The souvenir shop and adjacent chapel... now the more defined rift has become unavoidably obvious. Sr. George tries to stay away from Mother, but Mother is pleased as she sees Sr. George run toward the chapel, presumably to reflect on her own question of fitness for her position. Mother sees the value in tarrying a bit and letting the girls, and Sr. George, try to fulfill their promises.

8) The sign of the detour... though everyone wishes to be timely, there are situations in which you can't and must take the less desirable way. Connotations for both Mother and Sr. George.

9) The Indian "attack"... as you journey on in life, there will be attacks, but they may not be, and often aren't, what they seem. There will be times you barge in and hurt someone's endeavor when it's not intentional. But again, it's communication with the assailant that can turn them in your favor to help you-- but this time it's Mother who communicates when Sr. George doesn't fully understand.

As Mother and Sr. George come to mostly the same conclusions from their different perspectives, the point is achieved. The rally was an "eyeopener" that our viewer eyes did not get to see, but we saw the story. And for differences not met, the 2 apparently will now respect each other, and where appropriate, meet half way.

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cynic2all- great post, exactly right! The film was about the journey, not the destination. This film came out a few years after Vatican 2 and there were big changes and upheavals in the Church (and in society). Mother Superior and Sister George gave voice to those changes.

The film was never about the rally. The rally was only "the McGuffin" which was the name Alfred Hitchcock gave to the impetus for the action in his films. He always said that the McGuffin just got the action started and was usually forgotten by the audience.


I showed a boyfriend this film a few years back and he totally missed the point. He went on and on about "wanting to see the rally. I could not get him to understand the film. Should have shown him your post cynic!

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Oh brother. Talk about reading too much into a lousy, badly written and horribly acted disaster.

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The welfare of all the people has always been the alibi of tyrants. Albert Camus



I found some deeper meaning in the film. If you didn't that's fine. But it wasn't "lousy".

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I like the film, but the poster who analyzed the Hell out of it, has WAY too much time on their hands.

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yup the no rally leaves you saying wut

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I know! The entire movie was building up to it, and at the end, the narrator gave us a Nelson "Ha! Ha!" That is like going to Disney Land and not seeing Mickey Mouse.

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