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Shot in '68 and seems SET in '68



Unlike today, when films that are set in WWII LOOK like they're WWII, this
film didn't look like any other era but the one it was filmed in - 1968.
The aura, Neal's hairstyle, her house dresses and ESPECIALLY the '60's
folk-rock theme song sung by Judy Collins, all screamed the '60's. For me,
I just kept thinking Sheen's character came back from Vietnam, rather than
the second world war. This same problem exists in 1973's "The Way We Were",
where Robert Redford's hair and turtle neck clothes all look like the '70's.
Again, same thing with "Mash", the TV series. Alan Alda, Loretta Switt
and everyone else has hair and clothes from the '70's. There's one word
for all this: LAZY. Too bad.

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I concur. Was thinking the same thing when I watched it last night on TCM. It reminds me of one of those, "Straight to video", movies on VHS, you used to find at Caldor or Ames stores in the 80's, in the cardboard box bins in the entertainment dept.

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Except that the quality of the film and acting put this miles ahead of anything that's "straight to video".

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I must take issue with you. First, it's the production directors job as to how the film "looks". He gathers the set directors, costume and hair and make up people to make you think you are where you are. Pat Neal's hair was anything but '46. Her clothes were in some kind of Edith Bunker netherland. But the cars of the streets were right on as were the furnishings of the hated Bronx apartment. I have come to appreciate Ulu Grosbard more and more over time. He has directed some of my favorite movies, some I consider masterpieces, which for some reason are seldom seen. Straight Time is one, True Confessions is another. He also worked on Lumet's Pawnbroker, another masterpiece. I even liked Falling in Love and he must be someone people like to be around for DeNiro, Streep and Keitel to want to be in it. He's in his 80's now and I don't know if he will ever direct again, but I would love to see something along the lines of what he's best at, a look at a life lived hard with some great humor.

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I thought the son came home from Korea because of the style of the setting, there wasn't much of a post-WWII vibe about it. You often see the 'present' look overlaying a historical movie - a movie made in the 50's that is set in the time of Cleopatra, the women all have short bangs and red lipstick, a movie made in the 60's, the women have black eyeliner and pale, pale lips. It's like the filmmakers don't want to alienate the audience by making anything too authentic.

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Timmy comes home from WW2 not Korea. The dad mentions the Jews at breakfast.

And I agree the movie seems set in 1968. No one tried to make it look 40s

i have noticed this with films made during the 60s-80s. The directors thought the movie goers will not like the actors if they are not wearing the current hairstyle and bell bottom pants!

Robert Redford was a big star in The Way We WEre. But it was stupid and goofy that he had the sideburns like the Sundance Kid!

But yes, the arguments about SW Roses looking like the 60s is correct!! I was mesmorized by the acting!! so I didn't care.

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Yes, but the acting (and overall storyline themes) transcends this oversight, IMO. I still enjoyed it.

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I wholeheartedly disagree with everyone in this thread. This movie looks like it's setting, 1946. Are people going to tell me Neal's hairstyle was out of date? Watch Neal in her older movies from the late 40s. She has the same hairstyle. She also dressed the same way. I think the main thing that made people think it felt like the 60s was the music. But movies made today about the past don't have the same type of score from the past. For instance, the classical music soundtrack for Valkyrie was quite different than the type of music that would have been used if the movie had been made during the 40s. I agree with you about MASH and the Redford movie though.

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I wholeheartedly disagree with everyone in this thread except for davannacarter. This movie - with a few exceptions - does look and feel like its setting: mid-forties America, right after WWII. The clothing (especially the son's US Army uniform, which was clearly of the WWII period), the cars, the bus, the music heard on the radio and in the nightclub, the furniture, lampshades, appliances, etc. etc.... all are very reminiscent of mid-forties Americana.

I say this with at least some authority, because, even though I grew up in the late 60s and early 70s, I was nevertheless surrounded by parents and grandparents who still had furniture and clothing leftover from that era. I could relate to the old cars, the large wooden console radio set (just like the one my grandparents had!), the refrigerators, some of the music, and so on as being part of their earlier generation.

That Judy Collins folk song in the middle of the movie did throw it off key for just a bit and made it lose that mid-1940s feel, but other than that, I thought the filmmakers did a fine job of recreating that post-WWII America time period.

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If you see enough films from that era, you realize that it was completely normal at that time for period films to look more contemporary than historically accurate.

It was about the audience's expectations back then. People didn't demand that every single detail be authentic. Just a few hints here and there to suggest another time, that's all that was needed. Some old cars, an old stove, and old phone...

Check out "Bonnie and Clyde" or "MASH". Or a lot of westerns, especially TV series. Full of women with the most modern hair and make-up combos, and dresses somewhat influenced by the setting. It was just normal back then.

(Even Melinda Dillon's shaggy 80s-style perm in "A Christmas Story" in 1983. Of course by then, we had been trained to expect accuracy.)

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Same for '90s movies. And I suspect today's as well, only we can't see the contemporary influence because it just looks normal to us. Someday we'll look at period movies filmed in 2015 and say, "That looks sooo two-thousand tens."

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To be honest, Patricia Neal's hairstyle never changed much throughout her career.

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I'll agree--when the film started, it took me a while to figure out it was supposed to be set in the 40s; at first I thought the son had come back from Vietnam. This is primarily because the Judy Collins music immediately gave the film a late-1960s vibe, and Patricia Neal's contemporary hairstyle threw me off. If you Google photos of Patricia from 1945-1949, you'll see exactly what her hairstyle SHOULD have looked like in this film. It was most definitely out of period, and as such I found it very distracting.

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