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Why was Funny Girl a huge hit and this a flop?


My family saw "Funny Girl" and "Star!" on successive days back in 1968. We thought "Funny Girl" was great and Barbra Streisand was great in it but were unanimous in thinking that "Star!" was even better. At the very least, they are similar to eachother. Both are show business stories about poor girls, (one in London, the other in New York), who fight their way to the top of the their professions and have various troubles along the way. The protagonists and the the ladies who played them were nearly exact contemptoraries of each other, (Fannie Brice and Gertrude Lawrence both died a year apart in the early 50's), and all four performers are show business legends. Streisand and Andrews were at the height of their powers.

Surely, if you liked one film you'd like the other as well. Why would one be a smash and the other a flop?

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STAR! fans go over this again and again. The biggest problem STAR! had was that 20th Centurt Fox's advertising campaign promised another SOUND OF MUSIC by stressing that they had the same producer, director, and star. At the same time they were promising a "new" Julie Andrews when what the public wanted was Maria von Trapp, only more so. Also, FUNNY GIRL was based on a Broadway show that had a proven script with highs and lows and climaxes. STAR! was an original screenplay that is somewhat formless and lumpy, and while Julie is different, she'n not particularly likable in this role (brilliant though she is). Movie goers wondered: Where are the nuns? Where are the children? Where are the mountains?
Also, Andrews was old news to movie goers at that time (yes, it had been a mere four years since her debut film MARY POPPINS was released) and staggeringly talented as she was and is, the public, then as now, is like "Seen that. Now what?" Streisand's debut was BIG NEWS at the time, and though I like the movie and her in it, I think Julie's work has stood the test of time and surpassed Streisand's star turn in what closer examination reveals to be a very cheaply made movie. STAR! on the other hand pulled out all the stops as far a the budget was concerend.

PS - I didn't even think Barbra shoud have won the Oscar that year - it should have went to Redgrave for ISADORA, another biopic about another early 20th century lady of the theater.

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I have a different take.

I remember the year (1968) and the advertising campaign for STAR! very clearly, and while it's true the ads stressed the SOUND OF MUSIC pedigree, I don't think they gave potential audiences the impression they'd be seeing another von Trapp saga. What they did promise was something of equal quality - a very special cinematic event - a musical created by filmmakers who really knew how to make a great movie musical. Starring a brilliant musical talent who also happened to be one of the world's biggest box office attractions. I thought the ads made the film look exciting.

What killed STAR! was word of mouth, both from those who'd seen it and those who'd only read the reviews. Remember, this was considered the "can't miss" film of the year - as the ads promised, it had a state-of-the-art director, a state-of-the-art producer and a state-of-the-art star. But what STAR! didn't have was a state-of-the-art script. Word got out quickly that it wasn't connecting with audiences; people weren't touched or engaged - in fact, most of them were bored. And bad news travels fast; the film's spectacular failure became a topic of conversation - it was the HEAVEN'S GATE or ISHTAR of its time.

Needless to say, many of the attacks on STAR! were unwarranted and over-the-top. As the LA Times pointed out, it wasn't a bad film - just a disappointing one. Some people felt that 1968 was a tough time for musicals, but FUNNY GIRL and OLIVER! proved that wasn't the case. It may, however, have been a tough time to be Julie Andrews. The counterculture was in full swing at that point, and Andrews was perceived as an "establishment star" and something of a square - despite the fact her current films were actively shaking up her "wholesome" image.

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My take: nobody in America knew who the hell Gertrude Lawrence was and they didn't care to know who she was. The film presented her in a less-than-flattering light and there was no real romance for them to latch onto, as in FUNNY GIRL. If STAR! had somehow managed to include scenes from the beloved THE KING AND I, that may have provided a connection for American audiences, but it didn't and the subsequent lack of connection was crucial to its failure.

The marketing, which had sought (perhaps with good reason) to capitalize on the vast success of the creative team that had produced THE SOUND OF MUSIC, failed; the Fox brass were utterly wrong-headed in placing such high expectations on the box office performance of this film to redress their other, near-fatal decisions. STAR! was lavishly praised in Britain, where everybody knew Gertrude Lawrence, and it did comparatively well. Timing of the US release was not favorable. FUNNY GIRL had already opened and was doing great business. Comparisons were inevitable. The American press was scathing and, within two weeks of its release, the outlook for success was already dismal. What happened to STAR! after its initial failure was virtually unheard of, and the cutting and re-release cost even more money and damaged the reputation of the film, as well as the careers of Robert Wise, Saul Chaplin (whose birthday is today!) and Julie Andrews. It also short-circuited the rise of Daniel Massey (despite his Golden Globe win and Oscar nomination for his sharp and incisive performance) and essentially shut-down pre-production of SHE LOVES ME, which was to re-team the two leads. Julie Andrews was actually paid her contracted salary of one million dollars to NOT make the movie. A great "if only" story now, because SHE LOVES ME is a gem and the material was perfectly suited to Julie's prodigious talents. Her work in STAR! is highly accomplished and sophisticated.

I agree that Andrews, after 4 years of unprecedented box office supremacy (adjusted for inflation, her pre-STAR! films earned more than $2 billion worldwide), was largely perceived as Establishment--despite valiant attempts to break her sugar-and-spice stereotype--at a time when the counter-culture was turning virtually everything on its head. FUNNY GIRL, though hardly anti-establishment in its standard biopic look-and-feel, did offer a new major American star recreating a famous stage success (remember, the song PEOPLE had been a huge hit for her, so the attendent story was part of popular public consciousness), and its romance featuring no-less-than Doctor Zhivago himself (gorgeous Omar Sharif) was solid enough to guarantee success. FUNNY GIRL was "pretzels and beer" and comforting if bittersweet, good-hearted warmth; STAR! was caviar and chilled champagne, glamorous but emotionally distant.

In the long run, FUNNY GIRL was a big, splashy and surprisingly old-fashioned type of entertainment that struck a right chord and earned very big bucks. STAR!, which was just as big and splashy, dared to ask its audience to care about someone who was complicated, self-centered, bitchy, and neither climbed mountains nor solved problems with liberal doses of magic. They didn't. But it's probably a better film than the former simply because it doesn't ultimately reassure the viewer that heart-on-sleeve formulaic romances are to be believed no matter how flawlessly manicured the hands of the leading lady may be.


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I remember reading an 'unauthorised biography' of Julie Andrews years ago (can't remember what it was called or who wrote it) which stated that Julie Andrews herself was partly responsible for the failure of 'Star!'. The author of the book stated that Andrews refused to promote the film in any way (including not attending the London premier of the film). Regardless of that, let's face it, the character of Gertrude Lawrence - as portrayed in the film was quite vile and must have contributed to the films failure. In addition, the film was so bloody LONG! one needed the patience of a saint and the constitution of an Ox to sit through it in the cinema. I bought the DVD and after viewing it decided that the problem is not the FILM itself - but the Lawrence character - who comes across as a cold, calculating unbearable bitch. Julie Andrew's fans just didn't want to see her in that kind of role.....but as singing nun roles must have been fairly thin on the ground and the money she was paid looked good......well there you have it !!!

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I’ll bet the whole thing sounded good on paper – in fact, I think I read the same biography that you did – and I think there was a line in the beginning of the STAR! chapter that said “It could have been and should have been the greatest movie musical ever made”, or something to that effect.

The idea of the incredibly popular Julie, with the same creative team from SOM, must have been considered a sure-fire hit. But as you say – the Julie fans didn’t want to see her in THAT role, perhaps. Also, maybe the press was starting to “gun” for the big budget musicals.


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You know, I think some of these "unauthorized" biographies were either written by Julie Andrews-haters or by Joyce Haber (the syndicated columnist who spearheaded the media attacks against her).

Andrews addressed her non-appearance at the world premiere of STAR!, though it seems few were interested in the truth at the time. In fact, she was still in the midst of shooting DARLING LILI, and the project was behind schedule and over-budget. She said of all her film premieres, STAR! was the one she really wanted to attend; she even had a gown specially made for the occasion. But a particularly crucial scene had to be shot (involving either an important location or a number of extras - perhaps both), and she simply couldn't be spared. As a result, the vultures descended.

I'm not sure if Andrews was there for the New York premiere, but she did attend the Hollywood opening. I was in school in Los Angeles at the time, and I had a friend whose mother was a celebrity (no, I won't name any names) who also attended the Hollywood premiere. My friend told me his mother didn't like the movie and wanted to walk out, but she was seated in the same row as Andrews - and she couldn't leave without drawing attention to herself. So she stayed in her seat.

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Yes, Murph - in that same biography that I referred to earlier, it mentioned that Julie was involved in an outdoor scene of some kind, and they even considered using a double, but it wouldn't have worked to Blake Edwards' satisfaction - so she had to miss the STAR! premiere. She really thought, up to almost the last minute, that she would make it.

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Well, it's nice to know some writers printed the truth.

I'm not exactly a fan of STAR!, but it's clear Andrews worked very hard on the project. It obviously meant a great deal to her.

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Very true …. In fact, I read in that same book (I wish I knew the author, I read it back in 1982) that she was even a bit defiant with the reviews – on the subject of the “Jenny” number, she said – “That was the one number that we felt we could do as a MOVIE musical number. If it didn’t work, that’s too bad”.

I admire STAR! because of the beautiful production, and Julie’s performance.


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Despite some unnecessary props and one or two wobbly dancers, I think "Jenny" is spectacular. From a cinematic standpoint, it's the most interesting number in the film. And Andrews looks dynamite in that form-fitting black sequined outfit - very glamorous and very sexy.

I bought the DVD of STAR! so I could watch "Jenny" as often as I like. "Burlington Bertie" and "Piccadilly" are also fun.

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I have to say watching the movie on youtube after getting into Gertrude Lawrence via "Rembrandt" and "Daphne" which featured Janet Mcteer as Gertie, I dont think they made her Bitchy enough...of course that never would have worked in 1968...from reading about Gertie , she was much more bitchy and a diva than how Julie portrayed her...having watched "Daphne" which was about the affair bewteen Daphne Du MAurier and Gertrude Lawrence, I felt I got more of a sense of how Gertie was by Janet McTeer's great performance

I loved the musical numbers but the script left SO much to be desired...I feel like I never got what made Gertrude truly the compelling creature she was...especially since its seems well known that Gertrude's voice was in no way comparable to Julie Andrews

I think if the movie was made now, it would prolly end up more like " La Vie en Rose", another biopic about another troubled diva, Edith Piaf, where it would be easier to delve into the not so nice areas of her pysche

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I never saw this film, but remember talking to a theater owner that passed on showing it after seeing a preview. He said it was "long and boring". Maybe Julie Andrews was type cast after Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music as well, and her old fans would accept nothing less. I think her bed scenes in Torn Curtain and the Americanization of Emily did permanent damage to her fan base. All her later films directed by her husband Blake Edwards mostly bombed, so that didn't help her career either. But...long live Mary Poppins and Maria von Trapp !!

RSGRE

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I saw the film with my parents on release in a downtown Chicago first-run movie house; as reflected in the DVD extra material "Star!" was promoted as something that it was not, from print ads to movie previews, a traditional musical comedy film. Gertrude Lawrence was in fact a very mercurial and faintly unpleasant person until late in life but at that time most Americans were unaware of it. Accounts of Ms. Lawrence in her heyday subsequently appeared in autobiographies of Agnes de Mille and Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. and confirmed that the unpleasantness and mercurial behavior were accurately depicted in "Star!" This was a curious choice of film material by all concerned; I will be very curious to hear Ms. Andrews' take on this film and the considerable effort that she put into it (not to mention the considerable damage that it did to her career).

It was also a Very Long Movie despite the presence of an intermission.

On the other hand, the film is beautifully photographed and presented. In the theatre the soundtrack was first-class sound-wise and the film was great to look at. The costume design by Donald Brooks is sometimes more compelling than anything going on in the film. Best of all it preserves Daniel Massey's performance as Noel Coward - he was terrific in the part and he works very well with Ms. Andrews.

As for "Jenny" on first viewing I thought it was staged in a peculiar fashion by Michael Kidd; upon the passage of time I think it kind of grows on one.

I haven't seen "Torn Curtain" but do like "The Americanization of Emily" and Ms. Andrews in it.

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thank you for your comment judith, to be completely fair I have to see both films to make a proper commentary. "Torn Curtain" was a disaster all around.
Starting with his previous film "Marnie", Hitchcock was temporary reverting to silent era obvious stagey sets, completely at odds with mid-60's audience expectations. Julie Andrews is shown in bed with Paul Newman, right at the beginning of the film (they are engaged but not married)...a complete shock to her fans at that time! The whole film has this lethargic quality with no chemistry between the principles, they both look uncomfortable in their roles.
Will have more...

RSGRE

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Although savaged by the critics, TORN CURTAIN was a big hit--in fact, it was the biggest moneymaker in Universal studio history until the following year, when it was eclipsed by another Julie Andrews movie, THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE. In fact, they both feature scenes shot on the same theatre set, though dressed quite differently, of course.

The look of TORN CURTAIN is rather flimsy; there's too much rear-screen projection that looks cheap and phoney even by the standards of its day, and much of the background is obviously painted backdrops. However, the story was an interesting and intelligent approach to treating complex Cold War issues that were otherwise getting ridiculous play on the big screen in the girls-guns-gadgets genre propped up by the astounding success of the James Bond franchise (as well as its spoofs, like Matt Helm).

I like Newman and Andrews together. Theirs is a neat combination of sexiness and class, even if I feel that Newman is somehow wrong for the role; he's never quite convincing as a defector or as a nuclear scientist. I think Steve McQueen would have been a more convincing rebel/defector, although perhaps only nominally more convincing as a scientist. There are no other first rank American male stars of the period who could have done it, as far as I recall. Richard Burton had been excellent the previous year in THE SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD, as had Michael Caine in THE IPCRESS FILE, but neither Brit would have been able to truly pull off a quintessentially American role. It might have been a good idea to reunite Julie Andrews with James Garner, her co-star from THE AMERICANIZATION OF EMILY, but he wasn't really big enough at the box office or available (he was in Europe, filming the exciting and rather forgotten GRAND PRIX). Jack Lemmon was huge, but also not available.

And, yes, STAR! was certainly long, but not any longer than many other movies of the period. Length for these films was standard, so it should not automatically be discounted on that basis. But perhaps the pacing and lack of involvement with the main character's story is what worked against STAR! so fatally. The "road-show" movie--which always contained curtain music, intermission, and exit music--was still prominent: in 1968 alone, FUNNY GIRL, OLIVER!, FINIAN'S RAINBOW, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, and ICE STATION ZEBRA had intermissions as well, not to mention the six-hour American cut of WAR AND PEACE). The practice continued at least as late as 1971 (FIDDLER ON THE ROOF, NICHOLAS AND ALEXANDRA), and I think even "1776" had this upon release in 1972, as did the biopic YOUNG WINSTON. The rise of multiplexes changed this practice, as did the spiraling financial disasters of so many big-budget films (most especially musicals). PAINT YOUR WAGON, GOODBYE MR. CHIPS, SWEET CHARITY, HELLO, DOLLY!, TORA! TORA! TORA!, THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN, SCROOGE, THE MOLLY MAGUIRES, RYAN'S DAUGHTER, CROMWELL, THE LAST VALLEY, SONG OF NORWAY, ON A CLEAR DAY YOU CAN SEE FOREVER and GAILY GAILY lost untold millions for their studios. After 1968, only a very few road-show engagements (like PATTON and AIRPORT) managed to succeed at the box office, and the tradition died an ignominious death.


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Thanks for your insightful comments Milliedil, did not know that Torn Curtain had been a financial success. For me, Julie Andrews was too fresh from TSOM to be believable as a scientist, and Hitchcock even made disparaging remarks to that effect, in later interviews. As far as Paul Newman, Hitchcock appears to have had the same problem he had with another method actor, Montgomery Cliff in "I Confess". You can almost feel the conflict in styles, where the actor seems to be saying "no...I'm doing it my way...", and Hitchcock was asking for a different way. I think it comes down to actors who can transmit emotions to the audience via facial expressions, otherwise the performance falls flat. The best actors for Hitchcock were the ones who could do exactly that and follow his instructions explicidly. Might have more...see if I can rent Star and get a first hand viewing..

RSGRE

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Thank you Millie for that detailed comment!
I was disappointed to read that SCROOGE was a "disaster". I thought that it had done OK. I wish DOLLY had done better (indeed it was actually one of the highest grossing films of 69/70), but home video put it nicely into the black.

Yes, FIDDLER was indeed "road-showed". I recall seeing it in its first-run in NYC at the Rivoli theater. The whole nine yards - Intermission, entracte, exit music, and a beautiful prgram which I still have. I was 9 and my mom ordered the reserved seats in advance a few weeks before. What a day that was!! I wish could have seen STAR!, SOUND OF MUSIC, and DOLLY at the Rivoli as well in their road-show runs. I agree that it wasn't the length of STAR! that was the problem. FIDDLER was three hours, and was a smash.

Multi-plexes, in my opinion, took the magic out of movie-going. At that point, a lot of movie-going became like fast-food.

And I didn't know AIRPORT was ever a road show!

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I guess you consider 7 Academy Award nominations for Victor/victoria a bomb

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Why do you think that nobody in America knew who Gertrude Lawrence was? Of course they did. Gertrude Lawrence was as big a star on Broadway as she was in London from the 1920s until her untimely death in 1952. Her Broadway credits include "Andre Charlot's Revue of 1924", "Charlot's Revue of 1926", "Oh, Kay", "Treasure Girl", "Candle Light", "The International Review", "Tonight At 8:30", "Susan And God", "Skylark", "Lady In The Dark", "Pygmalion", and "The King And I".

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Sorry. Outside of a certain Broadway milieu and the New York savvy crowds that followed it, the average American movie goer in 1968 had no clue who Lawrence was, which is why I suggested that, had the story included her participation in THE KING AND I, that might possibly have provided more recognition. Lawrence was not only long-dead by 1968, her Broadway heyday was more than 30 years past.

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Again, you're wrong. Lawrence was extremely well-known by the American people even outside of Broadway until she died in 1952, which was only 16 years earlier. There may have been some younger people in 1968 who wouldn't have known who she was, but most of the people over the age of 25 knew her. Lawrence was not just a Broadway star, she was a Broadway icon in her lifetime. She was as well-known and popular as Ethel Merman.

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The wrong one is you. You're as wrong as the brass at 20th who thought her life story would appeal to the American public in 1968. She was revered and remembered in England, where Star! had excellent notices and decent box office. Not so in the USA.

And to suggest she was as well-known and popular in the USA as Ethel Merman is utterly absurd. Merman was a huge Broadway star for forty years who made several very popular Hollywood movies and had an excellent second career on American television and through personal appearances in Las Vegas and on countless variety shows. Lawrence had a totally negligible film career and died too soon to have any impact on television. Her heyday essentially ended by 1940, with The King and I being a lovely valedictory more than 10 years after that. And, unlike the makers of Star! , you forgot Lawrence's credit on Fifinella. At least they included that on the "show curtain" that played during the film's overture. It didn't help identify Lawrence for a movie-going public that didn't know her from D.H. Lawrence.

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Funny girl had Barbra Streisand's incomparable voice on songs like People, Don't Rain on My Parade and My Man.

While Star! is somewhat entertaining, if you go by the music alone it is no comparison to Funny Girl.

Edited to add (before anyone jumps on me) The Sound of Music is my favorite movie of all time. Julie Andrews is incredible. I just don't think this role suited her as much as Fanny Brice in Funny Girl was tailor made for Barbra.

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Funny Girl is a superior movie simply because it has a plot: the relationship between Fanny Brice and Nicky Arnstein and does not rely on the restaging of umpteen FB performances, the way Star does. The superficial dialog in Star merely serves as a backdrop to recreate every GL stage hit in it's complete form. Gets old fast.

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This is true. There really is no plot besides Gertrude's big bag of bs even though I love the sets, costumes, Julie, and the songs.

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As Pauline Kael once wrote, Streisand's film debut was a HAPPENING. Funny Girl was less about Fanny Brice and more of a showcase for Streisand to wow moviegoers with her talent. It also helped that the film was based on a long running Broadway show.

And as stated by a Julie Andrews biographer, Funny Girl was better written. A lot of the songs from the original show were cut. It's as if everything in the film was tailored for the star to make one memorable star-turn after another. It's book-ended with a great entrance ("Hello, Gorgeous!")at the beginning of the film and a heartbreaking rendition of My Man in the end.

Julie was badly miscast as Lawrence. The script doesn't even give her the opportunity to bring down the house in the end. Poor Jenny just wasn't it. Poor Julie, she should have asked for a script first before committing herself to this.

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Because "Funny Girl" was a fabulous (if flawed) film and this was simply flawed, from beginning to end.

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My personal take on this film is that the Gertrude Lawrence character is just too unlikable. I found her grating from beginning to end. Too bad too since the musical numbers on their own are great!

Poor casting didn't help (Robert Reed, ugh).

Martha
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I can't wade my way through the previous five screens, but I'll say:

Barbra Streisand was making an incandescent movie debut, "Funny Girl" had songs that are still classics, and her character was adorable. She had one love interest, played by Omar Sharif, and he was dreamy-looking.

Julie Andrews was playing a bitch, the songs were mostly nostalgic pieces from the 1920s, 30s and 40s and were mostly staged indifferently, her boyfriends/love interests were poorly cast, and the movie droned on for almost three hours.

In these two movies, Barbra Streisand could play a star, and Julie Andrews couldn't.

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Personally Star has a lot going against it. When I first watched the movie, I was so bored after an hour into it I took a nap since I was starting to fall asleep. After a nap I started watching it again, I really wanted to give the movie a fair chance. After another 20-30 mins I just gave up on it and went to bed and finished it it the next day which was still torture but I was determined to finish it. The pacing for this movie is terrible.

At the end of the day, Lawrence is just a unlikable person. She's one of those people that grabs everything in set because she thinks she's entitled to everything including men. I had trouble keeping track of all her love interests.

The script just rushes through everything too. I think one of the problems I had was with her daughter. She's mentioned for 2 minutes every hour or so, no real character or script development with that story line at all.

I didn't find that many of the numbers that entertaining either except the Saga of Jenny number. Other than Someone to Watch of Over Me, I don't think many of the songs are real standards.

Even though I think Funny Girl has some problems too, I think part of the reason its a better movie is the songs, story line, and the character of Fanny herself. Fanny is much relatable, growing up she was always considered the ugly duckling and doesn't feel worthy of Nicky's love or success. I think more people to some extent have felt something like that in their lives.

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My reaction to actor Robert Reed in the film "Star!" was a similar one when I saw the film upon initial release. Much later I found out that he was cast fairly late instead of early on. Perhaps he didn't have much of an opportunity to settle into the part. Obviously this was early in his career, before his career took off dramatically.

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