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''One of the best non-Leone spaghetti westerns''!!!

posted 11 years ago by ContinentalOp
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I can't be the only one who finds this comment annoying on the review sections of the great SW films? It completely ignores the fact that there are over 100 spaghetti westerns and near as much directors. The idea that Leone is definitely the greatest and a cut above all the others is a tad insulting and illogically. It would be like talking about films like 'Shane' and 'High Plains Drifter' as ''great non-Ford American westerns''; it would completely piss on the rest of the genre.

It is perfectly acceptable thinking that Leone is the best spaghetti western director (I do not exactly agree, though) but to completely turn the best of the genre into good-for-non-Leone-films completely ignores the achievements of many fine Italian directors in this field. Why can't Sollima or Corbucci be held up for their own merits, and not just seen as inferior riffs on Leone? They are original filmmakers in there own right and should be counted in the same manner as Hawks, Sturges and many US directors who are not John Ford are counted.

And Italian westerns are as diverse and varied as US westerns. Some are greater than some American westerns, whereas some are not. People should get over the fact that Spaghetti westerns are Italian and just measure fairly against US westerns. In many cases I bet many could identify more SW b-movies as better than most US western b-movies which were usually completely awful (save for the likes of Ford, who was sadly relegated to b-movies but made some of his finest pictures such as 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance').

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[–] jimpemmas 11 years ago

Because Once upon a time in the West and The good, the bad and the ugly are above anything else on the genre.

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[–] xagezos 10 years ago

Exactly

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[–] ContinentalOp 8 years ago

Because Once upon a time in the West and The good, the bad and the ugly are above anything else on the genre.

In the opinion of Leone-fanboys maybe, but it is unfair to judge about 700 films as all being inferior to Leone's. Even the laws of probability dictate that some may be better or at least equal. It is like judging jidaigeki in comparison to Kurosawa, medieval pictures on Michael Curtiz and crime dramas on John Huston. In other words, it is nonsense.

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[–] jimpemmas 8 years ago

I have seen all spaghetti westerns with more than a 7.3/10 in imdb (i would have said more than a 7 but i haven't seen face to face because i can't find it anywhere) and i am 100% sure that if one was in the same league as "once upon a time in the west" or "the good the bad and the ugly" it would have more than a 7.3 or at the very least we would know it from word of mouth or critics or top lists.

The best non-Leone for me is The Great Silence and even that one is no more than a 8/10.

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[–] SerDarioTaranFulci 8 years ago

Without Leone, spaghetti westerns would not be what they are and would not be as popular. He is undeniably the best and please don't apply "marvel vs dc" logic to the genre. Leone fanboys.... please.

My favorite review on the box is "a killer chiller-diller" lol. I dont know if thats a typo or some phrase I am unaware of.

[–] ContinentalOp 7 years ago

Without Leone, spaghetti westerns would not be what they are and would not be as popular.

I agree, however, that doesn't mean every movie in the genre should be brushed off as inferior to Leone automatically. And, I have to remind you, that in many nations, Corbucci's 'Django' was the most successful spaghetti western movie, which is why it had countless knockoffs and unofficial sequels.

He is undeniably the best and please don't apply "marvel vs dc" logic to the genre.

I'm not.

Leone fanboys.... please.

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[–] jdforyou1983 (1469) 3 years ago

It's a damn fine western

[–] Mrmojo4700 (20411) 2 years ago

I do agree the Leone’s films are outstanding and are among my favorites, but I tend to rewatch Corbucci’s much more often.