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Oh how I do love Kate Hepburn!


Kate Hepburn! What can I say that hasn't been said by thousands of movie fans the world over?

While this is not my favorite Hepburn movie, it is very high on my list. Her acting is fantastic. Her sparring with Peter (O'Toole) is almost as good as that with Spence (Tracy). In the scene where she is gazing into her mirror, you can tell that she is thinking of Spence, missing him, and hurting deeply. She uses that raw emotion to feed her charictor, and delivers a remarkable performance.

As for Peter, he matches her, and you can see where he is trying to draw out every facet of her subtle anger as they descend the stairs. In pure Tracy/Hepburn style she delivers the line "what would you have me do? give up, give out, give in?" Henry turns to her and says, "how about giving me a little peace!" Now she harpoons him with the line. "Why so modest? how about eternal peace? no there's a thought!"

What a lot of people don't know was that she signed to do this movie right after Spencer Tracy died. She was in deep emotional pain for many reasons, but mostly because she was the 'other woman' in Spencers life. Being a Catholic, Spence would not divorce his wife, but lived with Kate. His wife Louise, was agreeable to this arrangement, mostly because Kate was the only person who could keep Spence sober!

If you want to see true love, watch 'Guess Who's Comming To Dinner.' In the scene where she hands the priest a drink, and says "we're in trouble Mike" she is crying. Those tears are real! And later, when Mat Drayton is reflecting on how he and his wife Christina fell in love, watch Kate! Watch her expression, she knows their relationship in real life is ending, and you can see the love she has for Spence. And what was even more emotional for Kate was that Spence died just two weeks later.

As I said, what more can I say about Kate? She was the LAST of the really GREAT actresses this world has ever known!

I also had the pleasure of seeing her live on Broadway in her only musical, Coco. She was awesome. Not a great singer, but none the less awesome!

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A nice little tribute there.

I share your greatest admiration for Hepburn - at the awful expense of sounding trite, they truly don't make actresses like Hepburn any more ; good ones, of course, but icons and GREATS? No.

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No, they don't. However, there is still one of the 'great' ones out there. Julie Andrews! That's a lady with class. When that doctor did a botched job, and robed her of that great singing voice, she didn't give up. Instead, she got into movies, and went on pleasing her fans. No, there is no more My Fair Lady, Camelot, or Sound Of Music, but there is Julie! Not only was I lucky enough to see her one woman show 'Julie Sings her favorite songs,' but I got to to sit front row, center! I was so close I could see her prespire from the hot lights. In some songs, she sang to me. That was an awesome night!

But this thread is not about Julie, it's about Kate. Her Coco was fantastic!

Kate Hepburn, Ethal Merman, Mary Martin and Carol Channing, they were the greats of Broadway, as well as movies, records, and concerts.

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I know what you're saying, and I think I know what you're feeling, and your post is beautiful. However, I do think Meryl Streep is a truly great actress, completely legit, and could have held her own in any era.

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Yes, just as ALL ABOUT EVE was Bette Davis' defining film, the one that best utilized and showcased her abiltities, such was LION IN WINTER for Kate Hepburn.

I know what you're saying, and I think I know what you're feeling, and your post is beautiful. However, I do think Meryl Streep is a truly great actress, completely legit, and could have held her own in any era.


Indeed she could.

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Hepburn was a true artist! She was completely adaptable to the times. I mean watch "Little Women" and then "On Golden Pond"! Sublime.


Greatest performances...IMO. http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23188281/lists?ref_=nv_usr_lst_3

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How do I love her too.

I think her emotional involvement strengthened all three Oscar-winning performances she gave after Tracy's Death. I think that the final scene of "On Golden Pond" where Fonda has a mini-stroke and falls on the ground breaking all the plates must have been awfully familiar as it's the way she lost Spence (she heard him falling and breaking a cup).

She's deliciously serpentine in this. The perfect match for Peter's leonine grit.

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Hepburn is an utter bore. Her acting ranges run the gamut from A to B, as one diector once pointed out. Any comparison to Davis just should not be made.

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Actually, the person who expressed that opinion was Dorothy Parker. Mrs. Parker had no acting experience or talent whatever herself – unless we count acting like an obnoxious wench in print, that is. She was considerably skilled at that.

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Here's an interesting site discussing this quote; particularly poignant is the quotation from the Garson Kanin interview with Parker - which I include after the link:

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/26/gamut-emotion/

"I thought you didn’t like her,” I said.

Those great brown eyes became greater and browner.

“Me?” said Dottie, “I don’t think there’s a finer actress anywhere.”

“But what about ‘all the way from A to B’?” I reminded her. “Or didn’t you say it? Or do you think she’s improved?”

Dottie sighed. “Oh, I said it all right. You know how it is. A joke.” She looked distressed. She shrugged and swallowed. “When people expect you to say things, you say things. Isn’t that the way it is?”


As for Dorothy Parker herself, I like her short stories and sharp-edged poems. Here are two of my dark-hued humorous favorites:

http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/dorothy-parker/portrait-of-the-artist/

and, of course:
https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/resume.html

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You know, I'm actually a fan of Dorothy Parker’s poetry, although I must admit it’s been ages since I’ve read any. The same goes with her New Yorker stuff from the 1920s. I’ve often wondered if she realized how lucky she was in those earliest days to keep the company she kept at the notorious “Round Table.” For my own nickel I believe she did, and wasn’t at all unworthy of the group.

I guess what I find utterly sad is that so undeniably talented and creative as she was, in essence she made so much hay criticizing others who were often just as creative as she if not more so – albeit in a different way perhaps.
Beyond Kate Hepburn we have the infamous example related here, at http://www.todayinliterature.com/stories.asp?Event_Date=10/20/1928

Yet, as you noted, there seems to be a pang of genuine regret again here. Despite being a Pooh fan, however, I can’t altogether disagree with Dottie on this one – except for the “Tonstant Weader fwowed up” business. (If Tonstant Weader fwowed up she needs to have a glass of Coca-Cola to settle herself, then get on with it!) 

“Men seldom make passes at girls who wear glasses when girls who wear glasses are asses times 10” I would say. There lies the final irony I think: Somewhere I’ve seen a photograph of Dottie Parker in her 20s or 30s, wearing if I recall correctly horn-rimmed glasses – and she was gorgeous!

I need to read some more of her stuff actually. 

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She absolutely deserved the Oscar for this.

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Greatest screen performance I've ever seen.

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