The ending (spoilers!)


What did you think of the original ending to the great silence ? I have the dvd and there is an option to watch the alternate ending that was designed for some countries where Silence shoots kinski and his gang, and gets the girl but I think the original ending when he gets killed is so much more poignant and really leaves a lasting impression, it is one of the saddest films I have seen in a long time (I cried!). I'm not really a fan of westerns but I was persuaded to watch this one and I'm really glad I did. Just would be interested to see what other people thought...


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I can't say that I wanted Kinski and his gang to triumph in the end, but the unhappy climax is stunning, one of the most powerful endings to a film I've ever seen. The happy ending, which according to Alex Cox was used only in North Africa, where distributors insist on them, feels tacked on & not a little ludicrous. Silence appears to suddenly regain his strength despite being very obviously in a weakened condition & the sheriff appears to have been well thawed out on the journey back to town. When Silence reveals his strange metal glove, all credibility is tossed aside completely. Obviously, Corbucci did not take this alternate ending seriously at all, as he doesn't appear to have shot any sound to go with it.
When one responds to sympathetic characters such as Silence, the sheriff & Vonetta McGee's character, you want everything to work out as well as possible for them, so Corbucci's preferred ending is upsetting, yet it is what makes this very good western into a great one. It's such a shame to behold, but alas, it couldn't really have gone any other way...

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I doubtthat anyone actually wants Loco to win in the end, and it is that very fact that makes the ending so great. ALL the good guys and sympathetic characters are killed by the end: the sheriff and Regina earlier, and now, in one sudden, unexpected, blood bath, every single other sympathetic character is blown away while Silence, master gunfighter that he is, is so injured he can't even get a single one of the baddies! That is simply incrediably sad and audacious, and this really propels this to be the great film that it is. Sure, the "happy ending" would make people feel better in a way, but, even had it been less corny than the alternate actually made, it would have robbed this film of its ultimate greatness. As a result, it would not have stood out the way it has, despite its other strengths.

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I rather like the fact that it subverts the western genre by having a more realistic, down beat ending. The western was a glorification of American heroism in taming the West wheras here it displays something 'nasty, brutish and short'.

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I think the original ending to the film is probably one of the greatest endings in the history of cinema.

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I have to agree. I watched the film last night and was absolutely shocked and overwhelmed by the ending. In fact, the whole set-up of the film leads inexorably to the devastating conclusion: the characters of Silence and Pauline are so sympathetic (yet, very complex) that you can't help rooting for them, and Loco is such a vile character that you want to see him and his gang brought down in the final reel. When Silence's hand is shot by the gang member, I was horrified, and immediately thought, oh, this isn't going to work out the way I want it to. Then, you hope Pauline gets a quick revenge, but no. Then, the coup de grace: the massacre. I sat there dumbfounded, horrified, overwhelmed by grief. Stunning.

Also, not much has been said here about Jean-Louis Trintignant's marvelous performance. It truly is a marvel of subtlety, indicating so much through his physical movements, his face and especially his eyes. It's a masterful feat of acting.

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I liked the ending but that bastard Halliwell spoilt it for me in one of his books.

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I hated the original ending. I didn't want Silence, Pauline, and the Sheriff to die. When I saw it I was horrified and upset. How can Klaude Kinski's character kill the hero and the innocent victims. I prefer the alternate ending. I must say that I like and enjoy Segio Leone's western.

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Please do grow up a bit or stick to Walt Disney movies.

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I believe the director did this ending as penitence for the absurd Django finale: similar situation but polar opposite result.

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Coming to the finale I thought to myself "this film is going to be ruined, we have Silence as a cripple who is going to do something miraculous and defeat the Loco gang. I thought wouldn't it be amazing if this didn't happen and all the good guys copped it" I couldn't belive it when this happened, I literally stared at the blank screen with my jaw dropping to my knees. The alternate ending puts this in context. OK it was filmed without passion but even if it had been refined you can see how this would have ruined a very atmospheric movie. Excellent film.

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The feeling you have during the final scene of this movie is "THE GREAT SILENCE". You are left shocked and saying "NO!!" inside at the injustice of it all because there is nothing you can do about it. The alternative ending is a nice thing to see for a "what if", but the original ending brings out more emotion and what makes this a unique movie. All western themes are turned upside down int his movie.

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I think it is the most disgusting ending ever, it makes me sick. I think it is typical European to throw dirt at US history (nothing right or wrong). This has to be done, and could be done, since it wasn't done in US/Hollywood.

I do not know if the ending text has any accuracy but I wish it has (makes sence).

Interesting thing is that the STORY ends with the text, but the PLOT with a massacre, just like if Loco and his bunch was successful (there is nothing successful to kill defenseless or unarmed people). If they had showed Loco´s last stand, when he became unemployed, embarrassed, ashamed or killed, audience could have feel different.

What if we saw Loco and his bunch being killed after the massacre? Maybe we would feel more satisfied. If so, it proves that films and stories truly can affect our feelings in twisted ways. In a way, i think revenge is useless or pointless. Silence did not have to go there. He could have escaped but choosed not to (which he should have know was wrong). When it comes to Loco, his time came. A man doing actions such as the ones he did would create alot of enemies.

Corbucci maybe did the ending just because he wanted to be provocative and be as anti-Hollywood as possible.

Corbucci would have goneover the top by using the same kind of ending in Django. I think that the ending in Django is fine as it is.

--- Once Upon a Time in the West ---
Keep your loving brother happy! - Frank

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I have a german copy of the movie and I'm wondering if anything is cut. It says in my copy that the movie is about 100 min long.

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I have the american version of the film, at 105 mins. it may be missing chapters (DVD) Scene Selection has 18 chapters: 1: Bounty Hunters; 2:Snow Hill, Utah; 3: Don't You Want To Live?; 4: What Times We Live In; 5: The Stagecoach; 6: Can't You Talk; 7: Bad Memories; 8: According To The Law; 9: Target Practice; 10: First Confrontation; 11: A Moment's Tenderness; 12: Amnesty; 13: Loco's Trick; 14: Revenge; 15: Hiding Out; 16: The Challenge; 17: Showdown; 18:End Credits. Theyre practically an outline of the movie. Are you missing one of these sections?

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weird, I have 20 chapters, but thanks for the info

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Nothing will have been cut out. DVDs in R2 countries are 4% faster because of the PAL/NTSC difference or something nutty like that.


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Are you sure?

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Yes, every single R2 PAL DVD will be 4% faster than it's R1 NTSC cousins and as it was shown at the cinema. So any movie that has a running time of, say, 100 minutes will actually only clock in at 96 minutes on a PAL DVD. Don't let it put you off, I've never heard any complaints, even from people who compare DVDs region-to-region for a living.

I can't explain it technically, but that's what Google's for I guess. :)

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thanks, because I was worried that I might of bought a cut version of this classic, but thank you Spider_J
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The great silence was a great film with no doubt but i do admit there were little parts that bored me, but the ending. my lord what an ending. It just hit me, i thought to myself that this was one of the most darkest things i have ever seen in a film. But it left with me with different feelings. i was actaully on the verve of shouting 'ALRITE KINSKI!!' and i also thought to myself. 'hmmm silence isnt really that great'

One question tho. what is it with Sergio Corbucci and gunfighters hands that always seemed to get destroyed?

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Just for your information, I read some where, that the story line in the great silence was based on a real incident in the 1880's in the midwest durring the wars betwwen cattle barrons and farmers and sheep herders. The perpatrators were all hanged some years later.

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This is exactly what Corbucci wanted.

I knew the ending before-hand, sadly, but the ending was each and every bit and as powerful.

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Just watched this film and the ending blew me away. All during the final sequence I expected someone to rescue the situation. Guess we're conditioned to expect redemption of some kind. When Silence is shot - wow; when the girl gets it - omygod, again; when Kinski and his men slaughter the Mormons in the bar, I'm shocked but still expecting someone from somewhere to nail those guys. When they merely ride off, the film's power was totally felt. Sad, yes; a devastating cinematic treatment (using the western formula as a kind of mirror of modern times) of the total dehumanization that takes place when dollars are the only measure of life. This western fairy tale, if you will, turns the western genre in on itself; the viewer feels the despair of criminal capitalism taken to the extreme. We watch slaughter in a western, and no good guys ride in to balance the scale of justice. That's because Kinski's character represents justice here. The silence as they ride away at the end is the true silence, empty, cold as the terrain, and clear as a bell. Watching this, I can't help but think of all the violence happening, now, as I type these words, all over the world; perpetrated legally and with fanfare. Wow. What a film.

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I watched the alternate ending with Alex Cox's commentary, "Sergio Corbucci was a weird dude."

Indeed. The alternate ending was completely a joke, and I can't believe how good the actors were to take the alternate ending seriously as well. Corbucci does things differently. There's no happy ending a la Leone; Leone was probably so enamoured with the Western that he couldn't bring less idealism with his Dollars Trilogy's happy endings.

Corbucci had a penchant for dark cynicism and was a Communist who believed in the glorious martyrdom and tragedy of the "revolution." So I suppose that's why you'll see such a bloody ending.

I think this ending single-handedly kills the romance of the Western genre, whether European or American. There was absolutely nothing redeeming about the "wild West," and Corbucci made a great, strong statement.

I didn't see Django's entirely, but the ending was pretty ridiculous too and even Leonesque. Somehow the hero gets all the bad guys. There was no way Django's virtually mutilated hands could operate a shootout and kill 6 (not really sure about the number but quite a few) guys at once. Franco Nero looked damn cool marching off, but come on, that just kills my suspension of disbelief no matter how naive I can be.

So I think Corbucci like someone has mentioned already tried to have a more respectable, serious, powerful ending in The Great Silence to redeem himself for the ludicruous ending in Django.

Kinski was reptilian... classic Kinski. Jean-Louis Trintignant was hot... he could have been right up there with Eastwood.

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I actually spat my drink out when I saw the original ending.

However, upon viewing the alternative ending, I laughed so hard, I choked on my drink.

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I didn't see Django's entirely, but the ending was pretty ridiculous too and even Leonesque. Somehow the hero gets all the bad guys. There was no way Django's virtually mutilated hands could operate a shootout and kill 6 (not really sure about the number but quite a few) guys at once. Franco Nero looked damn cool marching off, but come on, that just kills my suspension of disbelief no matter how naive I can be.


So your suspension of disbelief in Django was shattered when he shot 6 men with broken and bloodied hands at the end but wasn't shattered in the first 15 minutes of the film when he massacred 100 men single-handedly with a machine gun from a coffin (with seemingly unlimited ammo)?

Either way, Django shouldn't be compared to The Great Silence. Django is pure escapism where with The Great Silence, Corbucci was making a political statement about fascism, with Morricone's score creating a more somber sobering atmosphere (far different than Bacalov's rousing over-the-top Django score). Personally preference, I enjoy Django more but its themes aren't as consequential as The Great Silence.

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What political statement was that? I didn't pick it up.

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