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Anne Francis' screen time


As Gary Brumburgh wrote in his review, Anne Francis' screen time was cut to zip, but she could steal the thunder from everyone else in her scenes. Her one line, "Has he fired you?" is the primo example... Thoughts?

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I was around when this movie was being shot in 1967-1968 and it seemed like every day there was an item in the columns about Anne Francis' part be cut to nothing on Barbra's orders. Francis herself has said recently she does not blame Barbra, but she did petition to have her name removed from the credits.
It all goes back to the Broadway show. That same part Anne Francis played was set to be played by Alynn Ann McLerie on stage - the pretty and smart-mouthed co-star/side kick. But the show was not working, and in Boston, Jerome Robbins was called in as a play doctor. He told the director (Garson Kanin) "This show is not about the Zigfield Follies. It is not about Jewish mothers. It is not even about Fanny Brice. It is about Barbra Streisand" and he suggested they pare away anything that did not put Barbra front and center at all times.
Four years later, they are making the movie, and it is the same story - the sidekick goes, as well as several musical numbers not feauturing La Babs. Francis gets to display some interetsing character traits, and if you look closely, there are enough remnants of her character to suggest a bigger part. For example - Anne Francis (georgia) call Zigfield "Flo" while the others adress him formally. She also drinks - witness her stepping off the train and asking "Conductor baby" where they are. She looks a wreck. She also had a scene in the boring second half of the movie right before Fanny is playing cards with her mother. Georgia is drunk complains about getting older and losing her looks and Fanny puts her to bed. Also the scene with Fanny and Eddie doing sit-ups at rehearsal had a brief bit with Georggia asking about the baby. Whatever.
FUNNY GIRL is a strange musical film. Made right at the time when big musicals were coming out of Hollywoood on a regular basis and showing disappointing results at the box office, here comes a mucial with a great musical talent that looks like it is afraid to be a musical. The numbers are just kind a snuck in as if they hoped the audience wouldn't know it was a musical.
STAR! with Julie Andrews opened a month after FUNNY GIRL and failed miserably at th box office, but in my opinion it is a better movie than FUNNY GIRL. But the public was tired of Andrews at htis point, and Streisand was a new star. But audiences did not love her the way they loved Andrews.

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It's true that the role played by Anne Francis (and earlier on stage by Allyn Ann McLerie) was superfluous and expendable, and that's the reason it ended up being cut. But regarding FUNNY GIRL on stage, the show's ultimate content was dictated by what the audience responded to during the out-of-town tryouts, and the creative team couldn't help noticing the show played better when they stuck with their star. As for Jerome Robbins, he came in as more than just a "play doctor" - he essentially took over the reins of the show as it neared its Broadway opening. The final program credits read "Production Supervised by Jerome Robbins."

I'm amazed you would think a film that has Barbra Streisand singing on a train & then a tugboat (while cruising by the Statue of Liberty, no less) "looks like it is afraid to be a musical." Streisand is singing "I'm The Greatest Star" about ten minutes into the film, followed by numbers that she performs at Keeney's, the Ziegfeld Follies, and even the street outside her mother's saloon. The finale features a solitary figure on a bare stage singing a song - that's all. No camera tricks and no flashy editing. Here's a film that not only knows it's a musical, but is proud of that fact.

And if you were around in 1967-1968, then you must be aware of the fact that STAR! failed not because "the public was tired of Andrews at this point," but because the film received terrible reviews (and word-of-mouth was equally poisonous). Pauline Kael took director Robert Wise and screenwriter William Fairchild to task in her New Yorker review, stating "They've made her (Gertrude Lawrence) a bitch all right, but they've failed to make her a star." And this was a fairly typical viewpoint among film critics at the time.

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It's clear when watching this film that the majority of Anne Francis' role probably ended up on the cutting room floor...not to mention that she was probably stealing scenes from Streisand which I'm sure neither Barbra nor William Wyer were going to tolerate.

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(I loved "Honey West"). But nobody ever stole any scene from Barbara Streisand, who dominated every scene in every movie she's ever been in and surely did the same on stage. If Anne's part was cut it was probably related to the length of the movie. She might have suggested it was because she was stealing the picture from Streisand, but that's bunk.

My family saw "Funny Girl" and "Star!" on consectuive nights. We commented on how they were both show business stories of nearly exact contemporaries, one from the poor section of the London, the other from Brooklyn, who fought their way to the top of their professions, (I wonder if they ever met?), had various troubles and died within a short time of eachother in the early 50's. Both were played by great, charismatic musical stars at the height of their powers, (greater, in fact than the characters theyw ere playing). We loved Streisand and "Funny Girl" but were unanimous in thinking that Andrews and "Star!" were even better. The fact that "Star!" was a huge flop and "Funny Girl" a huge success in the same year never seemed to make sense to any of us. How on earth could you like one and not the other?

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In FUNNY GIRL's original shooting script, Anne Francis' drunk scene occurs on the same evening that Mrs. Brice takes a break from playing solitaire and tells Fanny that Nick is "drowning" and "owes money everywhere." In the cut sequence, a drunken Georgia barges in on the two of them and berates Fanny for living in a dream world in which no one can live up to her high expectations - not even Nick. As the two scenes were essentially the same (in both, Fanny is informed she's not dealing with the realities in front of her), a decision was made to stick with the one that made the most impact. The mother-daughter scene remained in the film, while the other wound up on the cutting room floor.

(For more on the cut scenes - and Anne Francis's apology to Barbra Streisand - visit this link: http://barbra-archives.com/films/funny_girl_movie_cut5.html)

As for your other question - "How on earth could you like one (FUNNY GIRL) and not the other (STAR!)?" - well, it was answered in 1964, albeit under different circumstances. FUNNY GIRL had just opened on Broadway and was certified a hit, while a year earlier another musical biography entitled SOPHIE (about show-biz legend Sophie Tucker) closed after eight performances. Why did one succeed and the other fail? Because, as Time magazine put it, one was about "the cold of ambition" and the other about "the heat of desire." The comparison is apt, because Sophie Tucker (in SOPHIE) and Gertrude Lawrence (in STAR!) both came across as coldly ambitious and often unpleasant characters. Isobel Lennart's screenplay for FUNNY GIRL was hardly perfect, but she got one important element right - she gave audiences a main character that they LIKED. Most moviegoers rooted for Fanny and warmed to her self-deprecating humor, but Gertie turned them off almost immediately.

Another reason audiences neglected STAR! were the reviews; generally speaking, they were terrible. On the other hand, reviews for FUNNY GIRL were predominantly positive (especially for its star).

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...may have been coldly ambitious and unpleasant in life but she certainly wasn't portrayed that way in "Star!". In fact, the character was considerably lightened up. She was turned into a rather flightly woman who couldn't graps the realities of life, (such as paying her bills and not "acting" all the time).

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"Gertrude Lawrence may have been coldly ambitious and unpleasant in life but she certainly wasn't portrayed that way in STAR!"



Well, we'll just agree to disagree on that one. At first I liked the character's combativeness (in "Piccadilly"), but it soon grew tiresome. Before long she was fighting with her fellow cast members ("In My Garden Of Joy"), then becoming huffy and indignant when Sir Anthony Spencer doesn't notice her in the chorus of "Charlot's Revue." She changes the choreography of "'N' Everything" to throw the spotlight on herself, and only takes a genuine interest in Jack Roper when he assures her he can get her a job as Billie Carleton's understudy. On THE MIKE DOUGLAS SHOW, film critic Judith Crist said the movie gave audiences the impression that Gertrude Lawrence "wasn't a very nice person." And as noted earlier, Pauline Kael (in the New Yorker) felt the filmmakers had totally missed the mark, making Lawrence a "bitch" but failing to make her a "star."

I realize some may have enjoyed the way Gertrude Lawrence's character was written in STAR!, but most found it off-putting; they didn't enjoy spending three hours with this person. And that's one of the reasons word-of-mouth was so bad on this film.

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...wasn't exactly shy about getting what she wanted in "Funny Girl". And Gertie's self-involvment is presented as part of her charm in "Star!" I really see no difference.

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Fanny Brice was certainly ambitious, but in FUNNY GIRL you never see her being hostile to those around her. You don't see her fighting with her chorus colleagues (as Gertrude Lawrence does in STAR!). You don't see her insulting someone because he failed to notice her on stage (as Gertrude Lawrence does in STAR!). In fact, the FUNNY GIRL screenplay is constructed in a way that allows other people to be ambitious on Fanny Brice's behalf; it's Eddie Ryan who pushes her back onstage to sing "I'd Rather Be Blue," which in turn leads to a permanent job at Keeney's - not to mention Nick Arnstein and the Ziegfeld Follies (she's positive it was Arnstein who sang her praises to Ziegfeld).

Another reason why audiences warmed to FUNNY GIRL was the vulnerability of the main character; her insecurity about being seen as "a bagel on a plate full of onion rolls" was something countless people could relate to. Moviegoers never felt that kind of sympathy for Gertrude Lawrence in STAR!

Now, if you and your family found Gertie's self-involvement "charming," that's terrific. But if you're wondering why STAR! was such a disaster, it's because most audiences and film critics DIDN'T find her self-involvement "charming" - they found it alienating and unattractive.

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The favorable reactions of eveyrone in my family at the time were perfectly honest, even if others had different reactions. I've seen it several times, at different stages of my life. I found Gertie a complex, imperfect character, (moreso that Maria, for example), but hardly obnoxious. I thought it showed that Julie Andrews was an actress, not just a personality, and was quite impressed.

If a protagonist has to be nice to everyone throughout the picture to be a sympathetic character, that's quite a standard.

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Oh, I don't think a protagonist has to be "nice" to everyone, but the audience has to take some kind of interest in the main character. Sweeney Todd isn't "nice," but he gets the audience on his side; they understand why he's doing all those terrible things.

I realize the film has its supporters, but if you're asking about why it bombed when it did, it was because audiences on the whole didn't care WHAT happened to Gertrude Lawrence in STAR! I remember one fairly typical comment from a critic at the time - "Actually, STAR! is the suspense thriller of the year - I wondered if it would ever end."

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...and gave me a look through the eye of someone who didn't like "Star". It's certainly undenialable that it was a flop so your view was more prevalent than mine, (which doesn't make it "right" or mine "wrong"). In the end, I guess people didn't like Gertie, (even a watered down version), as much as they liked Fannie, (who, I'm sure, was watered down as well).

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Actually, I own the DVD of STAR! - I waited a long time for it to be released. I don't think it's a good film, but I really enjoy some of the musical numbers. "Piccadilly"..."Burlington Bertie"..."The Saga Of Jenny" - they're fun to watch.

And FUNNY GIRL had about as much to do with the facts of Fanny Brice's life as STAR! did with Gertrude Lawrence's - in other words, very little.

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Charismatic Francis was no less an actress than Barbara Streisand

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I find it interesting that TCM chose to run this film as a part of Anne Francis' day on their "Summer Under the Stars" series considering her part IS so minor....

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My thoughts are that this was Barbra Streisand's movie debut--one of the most awaited in decades. Naturally, everything was going to favor Barbra. If Anne Francis, already verging on middle-age, thought she was going to become a star out of Streisand's first film, she was a bit delusional.


Or as Susan Hayward said in "Valley of the Dolls": "The only hit that comes out of a Helen Lawson show is Helen Lawson, and that's me, baby!"

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Francis was already starring in feature films before this film. Are resumes checked before posting? One of the most appraised was the 1956 The Forbidden Planet with Walter Pidgeon.

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I can't believe a debate on Funny Girl and Star! actually took place on this thread. Even more unbelievable is somebody's claim that Star! is the superior film. Let's get the facts straight: Funny Girl was the top grossing film of 1968, it was nominated for Best Picture and won the Best Actress award for Streisand.

As for Star!, it was among the biggest bombs of the 1960s, it got dreadful reviews, it was pulled out of circulation, reedited and retitled and re-released and bombed again. It was miscast and badly written and it displayed none of the brilliance director Robert Wise had when he directed West Side Story and The Sound of Music. It was a bad film. Period.

As for Anne Francis, I'm sure she was disappointed by the outcome of her role in Funny Girl. But in a book about Streisand, biographer James Spada interviewed Anne Francis and she finally set the record straight. It was her agent who made all the noise and publicly complained about Streisand. She didn't mentioned if she had encouraged her agent but she regrets the turmoil it had caused and the legend it had spawned (Streisand allegedly demanding that her screen time be truncated).

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'I can't believe a debate on Funny Girl and Star! actually took place on this thread'.
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Likely fans of Andrews. Ever been to her board? what a trip.

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