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Thoughts on this jump cut, was it all a dream?


Just finished watching the film, this scene really confused me early on.

Early in the film towards the beginning, when Richard comes home from drinking with his pal and Jeannie. He eats dinner and fools around with his wife. They then proceed to tell bad joked and presumably have sex. They say goodnight to each other and the scene ends on his wifes face.

The next shot is Richard in his pool room. And his wife putting ice in 2 glasses when Richard appears and tells her that he wants a divorce.

My question is, is this the next day?

Was the sex some sort of daydream? Because we earlier see him go into the pool room and never see him exit or play.

What especially threw me was that his request for divorce cam pretty much out of the blue.

Could it be that he was dreaming/day dreaming about having sex with his wife?

Or simply nothing at all?

Thoughts?

You know what the Queen said? If I had balls, I'd be King.

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I know this is a little late (to say the least), but I'll answer as best I can.

No, it wasn't a dream. Cassavettes was dead set against hollywood convention or even art house and hated the sorts of manipulation they employed. He wanted to keep his films "real". He did ease up on this a bit, as can be seen with some of the techniques he used for later films such as "The Killing of a Chinese Bookie" (gel lens for the night club scenes), "Opening Night" (showing us people who exist only in Rowland's mind) and "Love Streams" (the fantasy sequence at the end). Early Cassavettes however would never want to use a dream sequence.

Part of the confusion is editing. The original cut of Faces was eight hours, than down to 220 minutes, than 3 hours, until he finally got down to the 129 minute version most know. I'm guessing this especially for this scene since it's when the editing is most jumpy.

The out of the blue aspect is pure Cassavettes. His characters almost never communicate what they're feeling directly, and there are often sudden reversals because the characters themselves don't know what they want. "Faces" is especially challenging in this regard, because much of the laughter and smiles are masks. The opening with Jim and Jeanie showed his interest in the latter, and the scene following between him and his wife displayed a strained relationship with poor communication. Thus either the sex scene was a moment of false passion, or just a brief flicker that died out when the sex is over.



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Simpler answer...it was a flash back to when they were happy, when he tells her he wants a divorce, it is directly after his billiards game.

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