Actually it deserves any disrespect it gets.This is one of the worst movies ever made.How anyone over the age of 8 could like this is beyond me.
The poster quoted above deserves to be _(insert delete worthy comment here)_. Diabolik is one of the best guilty pleasure movies ever made. Much better than all that Michael Bay crap people spend money on.
MST3K is 'just a show', right? No, it's a cultural movement to ridicule low budget movies that don't always deserve the derision and outright mocking that show gives them. It also made it seem culturally acceptable for every jagoff heckler in a movie audience to think that people need to hear their own personal running commentary broadcast to everyone. People don't just do that for really bad movies, but for just about any movie.
Some of the movies shown on MST3K are crap, some are just unfortunate enough to be picked. Forrest Gump is more deserving of the MST3K treatment than Diabolik because it's pure cheese with a big budget and name stars whereas Diabolik is an entertaining very low budget movie based on a comic book.
The talentless hack from MST3K is now doing Rifftrax which mocks not just bad popular movies, but any popular movies. The guy has no other place in the entertainment world because all he can do is mock movies, which essentially makes him a paid imdb forum member, but in audio format. He'd better spend time mocking Cold Case or CSI: Miami which are ripe for it and would provide endless material.
Yes, Diabolik gets the shaft by MST3K because most people now assume it is a bad movie merely due to its appearance on the show. Some people in America know of Diabolik despite MST3K's trashing of it. I learned of it years ago from an article by DVD Savant, which was my introduction to the films of the talented, but underrated director Mario Bava. Wanna complain about a Bava film? Try his crappy generic spaghetti westerns and leave the good cult classics alone.
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Death_to_Pan_and_Scan
16 years ago
Nice try and I think Sandy Frank was another untalented hack and him and Carl Macek know what they could do w/ each other in h--- (if there was one). I have not worked in the film industry.
MST3K BLOWS HARD! (like the aforementioned hacks)
I've already stated that MST3K exists to cash-in on believing oneself superior not only to really bad films, but to any film in general as a result of the lack of ability to create anything of value or meaning. It's a cultural movement embraced by those who weren't necessarily born retarded, but who became that way through contact with their environment.
A lot of Bava fans despise MST3K for that episode and that Diabolik is now grouped in as a 'crappy film' thanks to the talentless idiot on that show. Diabolik was a low budget guilty pleasure comic book movie, but a solid one (especially compared to mindless dreck like Barbarella) and anyone who refuses to see that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously at their critique of films. Anyone who claims to like Dario Argento films and then criticizes Bava's work is just showing that they are an idiot. It's like admiring Kurosawa's films, but claiming that John Ford sucks. For someone who thinks they're into horror films, you seem completely clueless of their history. Maybe next you can 'enlighten us' with how bad Val Lewton's films were...
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Death_to_Pan_and_Scan
16 years ago
Mike Nelson is a talentless hack wannabe comedian. Anyone that finds him to be the apex of comedy probably is behind the ticket sales of crap like Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet the Spartans, etc. Even Michael Bay has more value as an entertainer than Mike Nelson. Nelson has about as much value to the entertainment industry as Rex Reed.
Bava had more talent in his little finger than Nelson has in his whole body. Bava also made one of the best looking black and white films ever: Black Sunday (aka La Maschera deel demonio). Mario Bava was a genius cinematographer and has influenced lots of filmmakers, while your beloved Mike Nelson has influenced lots of teenagers who smoke way too much pot.
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16 years ago
You should at the very least be able to see why it actually affects Diabolik.
They show a edited down version of the movie with dumb jokes being made and many people's thoughts on Diabolik are forever stuck in the 'it was on MST3K so it must be a crappy movie' column. Most of them will never see the film in its normal (non-MST3K) version and appreciate it as the great piece of popcorn entertainment that it is.
Yes, there are some people who were introduced to the film by MST3K who will go on to see it on dvd uncut and without the lame joke track. I'd rather see it remain slightly obscure cult movie than be known to lots of people as a bad movie due to the idiotic humor of a few untalented individuals whose career high point will probably be appearing in what amounts to 3rd rate modern SNL skits.
If MST3K had only concentrated on really bad movies, it might not be such an issue. The blockbusters mocked by rifftrax won't be affected too much because people will have seen them normal prior to hearing a bunch of mediocre 8th grade humor comments annexed to them. Lesser known cult classics don't have that luxury and when quite a few people's first exposure to a cult film is through MST3K it will taint the film in most of their minds forever. It devalues the films in a way that will be irreparable to a number of viewers.
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FallenAngelWKW
16 years ago
"Lesser known cult classics don't have that luxury and when quite a few people's first exposure to a cult film is through MST3K it will taint the film in most of their minds forever. It devalues the films in a way that will be irreparable to a number of viewers."
Hardly. If you do a little research, you'll find most of these low-budget films found notoriety and cult status BECAUSE of MST3000, and most of the filmmakers give kudos to the show for making their work a part of the popular culture. In one specific instance, David Giancola praises MST3000 for introducing Time Chasers to many future fans of the film.
Some filmmakers WANTED mass exposure, and while some may not have enjoyed the MST3000 treatment, others were overjoyed that their film finally found an audience.
Furthermore, I don't like being demeaned simply because I enjoy the comedy of three men who made a point in saying we do not have to praise a film simply because it was released. I am not of the mindset to go see "Epic Movie" or "Date Movie" (which are such horrendous pieces of garbage that I cannot honestly see how you would compare them to MST300). I enjoy a Godard film or a Wong Kar-Wai movie as much as the next film buff; however, I do see merit in MST300, and I highly doubt that takes anything away from me. In short, don't generalize an audience who enjoys a film. Like stereotyping, it's unfair and rather ignorant.
"Things fall down. People look up. And when it rains, it pours." - Magnolia
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gnome-5
16 years ago
"If MST3K had only concentrated on really bad movies, it might not be such an issue."
Well, obviously this is a problem because no one can decide which movies are "really bad" or not. You like this movie -- I didn't, particularly. I like Plan 9 From Outer Space -- other people think it's crap. For every movie on IMDB with 1s, there are other people who gave it 10s, and they're not all fanboys with an agenda. What are you gonna do?
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eploscik
13 years ago
bla, bla, bla, only a fool would think diabolik is a great piece of art...which it isn't...
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eploscik
13 years ago
It is a bad movie...Just because we don't bow to the shrine of Diabolik doesn't mean we're incompetent, ignorant, stupid fools...MST will be remembered years from now...unlike your favorite, albeit stupid movie...If it wasn't for MST, I, along with many others(so sorry) wouldn't have heard of Diabolik...let alone comment on what a piece of you know what it is...
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