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Am I the only one who hated this movie?


Watching it was pure torture.

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Probably so.

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Yup. You're the only one.



I like to watch.

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sleepallday, you are NOT the only one.

I don't know that I HATED it, but it was really pretty boring and just...generic.

Of course Sidney Poitier is over-rated. Hearing people go on and on about him is SO old. I'm not saying he's not a good actor, but he's no Olivier. But he's good.

Also, the music and "dancing" in this movie is ATROCIOUS. That was the torturous part for me. I know it was filmed when that kind of "stomping ants" dancing, in or out of time with the music was "in", but still.

AND THAT THEME SONG...my gawd, did they have to play it FOUR TIMES? FOUR???? (At the beginning, in a montage, at the party at the end, then again over the end credits.) Talk about overkill. Makes me wonder if the movie was made just to sell the song...

I give the movie credit for actually filming on location in the london ghetto, and very slightly addressing some racial issues, but today it is woefully out of date to the point that "the point" is lost. The "issues" aren't issues anymore. Taking flowers to a black house? So what? So a girl burned a sanitary napkin in a fireplace, so we call them all sluts and demand that that DISGUSTING THING be removed. Uh, over-react much? Yes it's gross, but not any grosser than calling a classroom full of teenage girls sluts and disgusting pigs.

This film probably was very poignant the year it was released, but was woefully outdated just a few years later, as opposed to so many other movies from the era, like "Guess who's coming to dinner" to give Poitier some props.

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Lmao @ you saying that Poitier is over-rated? Must be that movie-retardation disease that I've heard about.

We can DO IT ALLLL DAY LONG, (We'll have to pay more for the light bill if we do it at night!)

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You're the only one, sorry. It's not one (unlike others) that I would want to watch "around the clock" by any stretch.

There are several boys that I fancy--my favorite is in the salad scene, the one in blue shirt behind Lulu. Then I realize the reality is I was on the other side of the Atlantic and that they were 16 years older than I was and the actors themselves in their early 20s (I was only five years old myself).

And I LOVE the character of Mrs. Joseph to bits!

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I was going to reply to the original thread, but you said everything I was going to say! And that theme song, my God, I wanted to smash my TV. The dancing at the end with the teacher and the girl was just the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time. The movie totally $ucked.

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Sounds like someones watched one to many CGI-Crapfests lately!

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Excuse me, but somebody that doesn't like this film is not a person who's seen 'too many CGI Crapfests'-they just don't like the film, period. Many people of color today probably hate it just for how dated the movie seems to them. You have to accept (and realize) that not every classic film is going to be well-regarded by everybody, and get on with life (you also have to start realizing the not every movie is a 'CGI crapfest' as you like to call science fiction and fantasy films.

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<<<<You have to accept (and realize) that not every classic film is going to be well-regarded by everybody,....>>>>

I'm glad you said that. That's how I feel about "Dr. Zhivago". It's not that I hate it, it just seems only 'so-so' to me...and I love David Lean movies.

(There, I've said it. I feel better now!)

I DO like "To Sir, With Love", though. All of it's so-called 'faults'....attitudes, dance styles, treacly song, etc....may be true enough, but it is almost 50 years old and should be viewed as such.

For example, I'm old enough to remember kids dancing pretty much like they do in the movie.

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it was a bit treacly but i can't help liking it.
the "sluts" tirade was a bit strong. E.R. Braithwaite the author, is a fairly hep cat in some ways but in his books he comes over a bit of a prude.
i can't defend the overkill on the title song with any level of objectivity because it's a killer tune!

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You've got to watch this movie from the viewpoint of the times. Taking flowers to a blacks' house was hardly "so what?". I know many of the English think their country was/is above racial problems, but they were/are just as bad as they've been here in the States. To think that the racial problems shown in this movie were "woefully dated" in just a few years shows just how little you know.

The music and dancing was just as relevant to the times as anything today. The band at the dance sounded like a Mersey beat, a very popular style in the 60s. Just because they aren't simulating sexual intercourse on the dance floor doesn't mean what they were doing wasn't "cutting edge" and frowned upon just as much as, if not more so, than the unimaginative twerking of today. And it would be nice if you actual knew something about the history of the music you're listening to today.

Yes, the movie IS dated, as it's now 47 years old. To put that in a little perspective, 47 years from the time of this movies release was 1920, less than two years from the end of World War ONE and nine years until the Great Depression.



This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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You miss a lot of what he went through and what his times were like. The book is more late-50s very early 60s, and the kids in the book were more "Teddy Boy" than the "rockers" in the movie.

People who expect old movies to be up to date really irritate me. What you can get out of a movie like this (and the book, even more) is how things were then and how times have changed. But of course, that takes thoughtful consideration, which may be too much to ask of the "10 second quote clip" generation.

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Based on Braithwaite's own experiences. Found him a bit of a stuffed shirt to be honest. I didn't enjoy the film much.

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"Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" was made in the same year, you pseud.

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But you do like Being There. I didn't see it since it was in the theatre. Maybe I should check it out again.

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Well you are entitled to your opinion. I'm sure there are films you love that I would turn off after 5 minutes.

In my mind TSWL is a lovely piece of work. It was made the year I was born so I never knew those times, but it's nice to see the late 60's captured in this film.

You say it was torture watching it. So who was forcing you against your will to watch it?

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I didn't like how this movie was considered wonderful -- the worst thing the kids did was the used feminine product antic. The entire time I read the book I was "How are these kids bad?"

I have dealt with worse, from kids half their age!

You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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One must bear in mind, however, that To Sir With Love is about poor, tough white kids growing up in a poor and tough section of London, and going to a tough school. The fact that the girls burned a used sanitary napkin in the stove was a rather disgusting...and sad scene, and one can't blame the teacher for getting pissed off about that.

While To Sir With Love is an enjoyable movie, the idea of a young girl becoming so close to a teacher, regardless of who he or she is or what the teacher looks like, just doesn't sit well with me. But I understand what the title of this film and book means: The new teacher, who nobody really liked at first was a teacher that the kids grew fond of and respected, in the end, which is the message of this film, imho.

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They were like ghetto kids. They weren't working class, they were inner city.

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It was all very tame, I agree, and not very realistic. Some of these areas were and are seriously rough, but you wouldn't know it from this film. The school dance was funny, though, just waiting for the inevitable point when Lulu would start singing to the camera.

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this movie is actually based on a true story. The book and movie are pretty close. In the book there's a 14 yr old girl who is pregnant and it can be one of several boys who live in the same tenement building. girl has NO idea as to who the daddy is. The girl is not one of *Sir's* students. This is not touched on in the film. and these kids, a lot of them did need somebody to straighten them out. sure, kids younger than them today behave far more badly. That doesnt mean it's a cool thing to be going on. And if the movie is bad, dont watch it. i know I dont watch movies i dont like. this is something, 20 minutes in, you should have an idea if you are going to like it, or not.
This movie is before my time, but i definitely see where these kids needed some guidance.

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Ride...
yeah the movie is based on a "true" story, or at least the book. We don't really know what went on, since both genres seemed so tame. The worst thing that happened in the class was the girl who put the used sanitary product into the furnace. Try being held back by 8 children so that the bully in your class can "bowl" freaking computer down the hallway! Oh, and have it be your fault!

I have real life experience teaching in an inner city school (Bronx NYC) and the kids in this movie and in the book were so tame compared to the ones in my elementary school.
The computer bowling incident happened when I taught 5th grade and it cost the culprit 5 days in school suspension (complete with work provided by me!) and a letter in my file complaining of my "non action" Um... does it matter that I had about 800 pounds holding me down??
This was the third "big thing" that this student did that school year and this happened in a January. BY NYC DOE discipline "law" three 5 days in school suspensions buy the student a three month suspension from the school (they get shipped to another school for at least the 3 months) My school has had that happened before, us getting children and sending children to other schools.

I had 10 months of continual day to day hell with this student (she also coerced half the class to join her in her crusade against education). I now suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome because of this girl and the school blames me for everything bad that happens to it -- whether I was involved or not!

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You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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PTSS. lol

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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Yes, you have told the computer-bowling story at least twice. Why don't you change schools? (And before you jump down my throat, I began my teaching career in NYC schools, and it is possible to transfer since it is a large district.)

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To this day, I still dance like that.

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I was 17 when this movie came out, and thought it was a bit dated but not bad allowing for what the censors would tolerate in those days, and the book was even older, so yes, in that sense its dated, and probably not at all relevant to the times now.(certainly not, actually) but that doesn't matter, any more than it matters for any other older movie about older social problems. It was relevant when it was made, and so now is a picture of a slice of life from that time. Watch it as history and appreciate it. Maybe if there had been more Marc Thackerays we wouldn't have the problems we have today. Maybe, though it seems unlikely. As to the songs and the dancing, it was rebellion in those days. The title song was a huge hit both in the movie and as a released song, and made Lulu a smash success. And yes, I still like the movie a lot, and just watched it again last night.

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I love this movie and this came out 20 years before I was born

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Anyone that hates it is entitled to his or her opinion. I've always loved this movie and never miss an opportunity to watch it whenever it's on. I'm sure there are many people that entered the teaching profession as a result of watching this move. I think the point of the film is that young people need to be inspired and will respond positively to a teacher that helps them to understand mutual respect. It takes a unique and talented educator to accomplish this feat, especially with inner city children that get little or no direction/nurturing at home.

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According to IMDb "FAQ" section, the author of the book on which it was based
hated the movie, too.






I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!

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I remember seeing it on tv around 2004/5 and thought it was good.

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All it says is that he responded to a question in an interview on TV that he "hated" the movie, with no qualifiers, like what he didn't like, or why he hated the movie. And its not a quote, so it may be interpolation, or exaggeration, of what he actually said. I wish they had included the quote in that statement. Its always possible that he really does hate the movie and still thinks its a fair adaptation of his book.

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overated as an actor? No Oliver? I say Thank God. Lawrence Oliver was one of the biggest hams I ever saw.

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@tmaj48
According to IMDb "FAQ" section, the author of the book on which it was based
hated the movie, too.

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What he hated was that the character development of Mr. Thackeray and Miss Blanchard was never fully developed. Also, a lot of the prejudice segments that were in the book was left out of the movie. In the movie there is hardly any prejudice moments shown. While in the book their was a prejudice waiter at the restaurant Mr. Thackeray and Gillian had dinner at. Their romantic type relationship never really developed in the movie at all. So the author wasn't too happy with the movie. Still, many people who saw the movie loved it.

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"Their romantic type relationship never really developed in the movie at all"

But bear in mind that we're talking 1967. Hollywood--and society for that matter--still wasn't quite ready to portray interracial relationships on the screen. Interestingly enough, Sidney's subsequent movie "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" dealt with this issue.

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Wonderful post/reply! Btw,I've always loved this movie,and only wished they hadn't run the theme song quite so much throughout the film. Also,I can't ever remember seeing a bad Sidney Poitier movie,and must mention my favorite "Lillies of the Field".Also I adore "Guess who's coming to Dinner",with the exception of K.Hepburn's niece used in the movie.I guess I just didn't care for her acting,although everybody else was beyond excellent!

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Yes, but then you are an idiot!

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