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wonder what happened to the german inmate


seemed a smart fellow who knew what was what and deserved better. anybody know the outcome

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I'm interested too. The poor guy was banging his head against a brick wall trying to get his point across to that arrogant small minded psychiatrist. It was like one of your worst nightmares come true watching that.

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I am a psychiatric nurse, and although the first doctor was dismissive, as was the second, they were both right on - the man was SO paranoid, exhibited CLASSIC persecution symptoms - i.e everyone else is wrong, I'm fine. A sane person would've protested, yes, but a sane person would have eventually figured out the only way to get out was to "play the game". Sad, but think about it - I can't remember the exact reasons he ended up there - (coffee in prison was poisoned, he believed, I think) I have dealt with the same type of patient daily in my career, as soon as they are humored, they go off on another cycle of persecution. I bet he wasn't taking his meds, either. He seemed bipolar, too ,IMHO. Such a hit and miss medical field...Oh, by the way, he was Russian, and I am certain we'll never know what happened - this movie was banned for invasion of privacy, so I bet that info never will see the light of day.

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if memory serves, wasnt the guy only asking a transfer to regular prison and not that his case be reavaluated. didnt he say also that he was sane but that titicut was driving him insane. it worth mentioning too i think, and perhaps and indication of the mans intelligence that didnt he teach himself english in the place. now thats no mean feet i think as a lot of other inmates were incomprehensible. was a liitle wile ago now since i last say the picture, but the impression i got was of an injustice being done. perhaps another viewing would change my mind, but first imperssion, to me, he seemed to have his bearings. could be wrong of course

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some documentaries are great in that, it allows one to catch a "glimpse" of lifestyles, issues, conditions, and situations that one would otherwise not be exposed to. That stated this movie is what it is.."a glimpse" This documents a short period of time in the staff and residents of the institution.. It's entirely easy for one to feel empathy for the patients upon initial view, you just couldn't be human if you didn't. However, a true documentary viewer must understand that there is far more going on than meets the eye in accordance to time and extenuating circumstances. This is a PRISON with criminally insane individuals who committed crimes of some extreme degree to be placed there. Consider also that a number of the residents here were probably placed in standard incarceration facilities before being transfered there for behavior that was beyond the understanding and control of the typical guards and wardens. Possibly dangers to themselves and others it was understandable that they would be placed in such a facility and away from the general population. Another reason a criminal might be placed in such an institution is an "insanity" plea in their trial. Speculation isn't 20/20. Any situation that is seen has a greater story than what is being recorded on film. For example, the gentleman that insists he'd rather be transfered as his medications and treatment aren't a benefit for him as he construes himself as sane. Why was he placed there in the first place? How was his behavior hours days or months prior to that statement? How often had the staff heard him state that before? How many meltdowns has this man suffered then seemingly regain himself and insist he is fine? Some mentally ill people have the capacity to be seemingly well, moments of normalcy and periods of understanding..then suddenly a meltdown that justifies the diagnosis. Theres much unknown, and all we can do is speculate as to how things really are..That's the beauty of a documentary. It allows an individual to attempt (and i do mean attempt) to understand and be educated about subjects previously unknown. The images are harsh, the conditions deplorable and the compassion seemingly lacking in the staff, but it's just a portion of the entirety of what it's truly like.
Mistreatment of the patients? the criminals? how did they treat their victims? what of their "mistreatment?" (the child molester comes to mind) Staff unkind? insensitive? bullish and cold? what must their day be like? what kind of horrors do they see and hear in a day that we dont see on film? This film makes your mind struggle with who to feel the most compassion for. thats what makes it fascinating!

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Doesn't it seem that something is inherently wrong with having to "play the game" to be considered "sane?"

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Absolutely. But it is the world we live in - conform, or be ostracized or committed.

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"conform, or be ostracized or committed"

that's a really *beep* answer. i'm sorry, but i find it infuriating. the patients at bridgewater were treated like garbage. vladimir was probably one of the more treatable patients there, and he was stuck in bedlam.

to the poster below--i'm so glad to hear that he got out. i hope he found good doctors who were willing to listen to him and that he found some peace.

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"It's better not to know so much about what things mean." David Lynch

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Quite simply, one of the elements of insanity is a severe lack of social inhibition.

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I attended a screening of Titicut Follies at the International Documentary Film Festival in Amsterdam last week, and Mr. Wiseman did a Q&A session afterwards where he was asked what happened to this person.

His name was Vladimir, and he was actually polish. His parents had fled to the US during the second world war. He ended up with a long prison sentence, because he was the driver of a car that was used in a robbery in which a store clerk was shot dead. The law (at the time at least) said that the accomplice was as guilty as the murderer, so Vladimir was sent away for a long time.

After a few years in prison, he started having dreams that there were germans outside the prison wanting to kill him, and started believing that his coffee was being poisoned. He was clearly showing paranoid features, so he was sent to Bridgewater. Wisemans view of Vladimir is that he was clearly ill, but that it was equally clear that he was not getting the treatment he needed at Bridgewater. As Wiseman said, his criticisms of the facility were accurate.

According to Wiseman, Vladimir was released three or four years after the movie was made. He saw the movie and thought it to be an accurate description of what his experience there was like. Vladimir died in the early 80s.

(I wrote this from my memory of Mr. Wisemans answer, forgive me if some of the details are incorrect.)

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Here's a blogpost by someone who says he is the nephew of Vladimir. It is a pretty touching post:

http://illiterationnation.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/what-is-titticut-follies-memoir-project.html

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THANK YOU!

That's an amazing post that everyone should read.

So much more depth of information than I ever imagined; casts a whole different light on so many things in and about the film.

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Thanks for the insightful write-up!

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