Not really Lovecraft?


The Shuttered Room is one of several stories written by "H.P.Lovecraft and August Derleth," based on plot suggestions, paragraphs and scraps of ideas Derleth found in HPL's notebooks. Most of the plots of these stories were Derleth's own. In the case of the longest "collaboration," The Lurker At The Threshold, Derleth created the whole thing, plot, characters and all, and included two short descriptive passages by Lovecraft. Then again, Derleth concocted The Shadow Out Of Space, which might as well be a plagiarizing of Lovecraft's own The Shadow Out of Time. Without checking the notebooks it's impossible to tell how much of any of these stories is real Lovecraft and how much is Derleth's spin.


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I read loads of these books in high school and got the impression even back then that Derleth was just cashing in on Lovecraft's name, writing lots of copycat Cthulhu stories that were more or less all the same.

I just taped this movie and look forward to seeing it (nevertheless!).

My favorite HPL adaptations were the ones used on NIGHT GALLERY in the early 70s, like "Cool Air" and "Pickman's Model."

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this was such a letdown. i just finisehd watching it now.. bah!



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Yeah really...I expected to see some kind of demonic whatsit, and it turned out to be her insane sister? The only monsters in this movie were Oliver Reed and his swells!

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I agree, they made such a big deal about a family curse. The parents death probably was just an accident.

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Have to agree with you on the Derleth thing. And I do remember seeing Pickman's Model; some time back Night Gallery was re-run. Don't recall Cool Air though. Must see if I can find it out there.

Maybe it sucks, but I'm downloading this flic.

Big Lovecraft fan, here, and I just wish to gawd someone would do at least one of his stories justice.

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Night Gallery season two has just been released on DVD. Both Pickman and Cool Air are on it.

As well as a totally unrelated "funny bit" called 'Miss Lovecraft Sent Me.'

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I haven't seen the film but did read the original story. Nothing to do with the film. The inhabitant was a Deep One that was the incestuous offspring of the old man's daughter and a cousin from Innsmouth, He locked the daughter in the room and the baby as well. The old man kept the food intake down to control the creature.

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I beg to differ (this is of course a matter of opinion). I collected many of the Lovecraft and Derleth books from Arkham House in the 1960s and 1970s, and it should be pointed out that Derleth was a writer of regional fiction. This is not a cop-out, but merely to go back and see where he was coming from.

The irony of course is that one Stephen King, also in the '60s, was most influenced by the writing of both men and combined the "regional fiction" emphasis with horror in his Maine-localed books and stories. Seeing latterday self-appointed experts trash Derleth's writing is disgusting, but ignorance is bliss. I have never been interested in King's work, even back when I used to read his fledgling efforts in sub-Playboy men's magazines, before he was discovered.

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I don't mind what Derleth did with Lovecraft's work. Other people have done the same with the unfinished works and outlines left by authors. I read the Lovecraft and Derleth works as a teenager, around the same time I also read Robert E Howard's "Conan" tales - and, of course, Howard had his own Derleth in L Sprague de Camp. Back then, I was simply glad to have more material set in the worlds I was enjoying reading about - I didn't make any quality judgements because nothing stood out as an obviously poor imitation.

Recently, though, I found a huge collection of various Lovecraft audiobook readings - which included "The Lurker at the Threshold." Enough time had passed for me to forget the true authorship of some of the less-famous stories, but something about "The Lurker at the Threshold" jarred and made me think "This isn't real Lovecraft - it's more like Lovecraft fan-fiction." And, sure enough, as the OP said, it WASN'T real Lovecraft - it was Derleth aping Lovecraft.

I think the biggest give-away was the way it seemed too eager to tie itself into the Lovecraft universe by name-checking characters from "The Shadow over Innsmouth" in a contrived way. Sure, Lovecraft sometimes used the device of recurring characters (and recurring books) to link disparate stories, and the linking threads that run through his many stories form the apparently coherent "mythos" that he is famed for creating, but Derleth's story was clumsy about making those links where Lovecraft would have been subtle.

In short (!) what I'm saying is that even in a "blind taste test" (a huge collection of Lovecraft Mythos audio readings with no authorship stated up-front of each story) it was obvious that Derleth was the shop-brand cola and not The Real Thing.

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The stories that Derleth wrote were based on notes Lovecraft left with short descriptions.

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