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What I wanna know is, who plays that...


... groovy far out electric guitar all the way through, the kind that, back when it was new and we were hearing it for the first time, we instinctively knew, from the first note, that we weren't hearing "real" music, but rather a special kind of imitation, almost contemptuous, being put on by an older generation trying so, somehow, connect with younger people, but not really bothering to listen, or even play, the right music, as if that were somehow not even within their power -- like you'd just showed them a colorful painting, and they looked at you like you just *beep* in their hats -- but what neither of you realize is that they are colorblind, and they'll never look at your painting as anything more than *beep* in their hat.

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Quenton Tarentino would probably do an incredible job directing a remake. He would run that guitar riff all through the movie.

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I know what you're talking about but I don't think it applies here - Clear Light and Barry McGuire had proper hippie cred, and Lalo Schifrin is never less than 100 percent cool.

The stuff you're describing is summed up nicely in 'Love Power' from 'The Producers' - of course it's a satire of that kind of music (and really sold by the great Dick Shawn*) but the instrumentation, the echoing sitar-like guitar, tinging cymbals and spooky flute can be heard in lots of so-called 'hippie movie' soundtracks of the time. But, better heard than described:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkYBJId7WZs

*No offense, but I can really imagine your rant done by Lorenzo St. Dubois now!

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Speaking of Lalo Schifrin, some of the 'suspenseful' musical themes he uses here are very, very similar to ones he provided for the "Mannix" TV series.

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Speaking of Lalo Schifrin, some of the 'suspenseful' musical themes he uses here are very, very similar to ones he provided for the "Mannix" TV series. - urgeking

I swore I heard a couple of bars of Mission: Impossible motifs when Sidney was getting into the White House elevator at one point.


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Those are the headlines. Now for the rumors behind the news. - Firesign Theatre

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I swore I heard a couple of bars of Mission: Impossible motifs when Sidney was getting into the White House elevator at one point.


I'm watching now... By Jove, you're right! It's just after he gets 'paged' in the men's room. And later, when he's ducking into the rock band's RV parked next to the Cafe Wha?. The rat-a-tat martial snare drum in several of those elevator shots is also a common M:I element. Well, it's certainly appropriate, given the conceptual similarities between M:I and TPA.

Regarding the original post:

I sure don't hear any cheezy rock-style electric guitar "all the way through"-- it's in a couple of spots in the musical montage under the opening credits, but seldom anywhere else. And I don't think it's all that cheezy. A lot of late-'60s rock bands had "acid rock" soloists who sounded no better than that, and sometimes worse. (As for who the actual player was, my personal guess would be session guitarist Joe Beck, but who knows?)

As for Clear Light's outdoor performance: That drum part sounds awfully crude, but I do like the arpeggiated electric guitar. Lotsa energy.

The thing is, if you dig into the (sometimes clandestine) credits of well-known '60s pop and rock songs that we thought were a product of 'our generation', many were actually written by seasoned staff writers and/or performed by not-so-young session players, so the dividing line between "real" and "imitation" was not as clear as one might assume.

That said, the OP has a point, even if it may not apply here. I cringe at many Mannix scenes set in nightclubs/discotheques, where people are dancing to alleged circa-1970 "rock & roll" that resembles an older generation's impression of early-'60s surf music. Didn't Schifrin, and/or the music editors choosing from archives of generic 'library' music for such scenes, realize that a vast swath of their audience would immediately read those 'groovy, up-to-date' sounds as being hopelessly corny? Perhaps, but time and budget restrictions likely prevented them from investing in truly hip stuff.

The Firesign Theatre... ah, yes! This movie dovetails quite nicely with Side Five of "Waiting for the Electrician". I'm sure the 4 or 5 Krazy Guys must have seen it and enjoyed it. In fact, even in '67, when they were just getting started, they could have written it, if anyone had asked.

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Music library archives must be a great listening experience. I bought a CD of selections from the Capitol library (most widely heard in the 'Ren & Stimpy' cartoons)and would love to have a collection of 'groovy' nightclub/radio stock tunes.

While there was never a soundtrack album for this movie, Lalo Schifrin did a curious lp around this time, with the punny title "There's a Whole Lalo Schifrin Going On", that invoked some of the feel of it. In a previous album he'd incorporated Baroque themes into jazzy instrumentals, here he pulls some oddball stuff like a piano break that is a random angry assault on the keyboard, insurance contract jargon sung like a pumped up gospel choir, backgrounds of murmuring crowd vocalese that slowly rise to agitated shrieking...as a bonus, two selections are re-scored versions of tunes that show up as the blaring Tijuana Brass-style 'Total Sound' in the Quantrill car.

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Wow, that Schifrin album sounds like it would be my cup of tea. Only in the '60s would a major label have been willing to release something like that.

(A few years earlier, the CRI 'classical' label had issued an LP that included a quasi-Baroque chorus singing an excerpt from the U.S. tax code. "Mother-in-law, mother-in-law, you can deduct your mother-in-law...")

It's now possible to hear a lot of vintage library music in its original form. Back before music blogs got (indirectly) shot down by the Federal download police, dozens of those albums were being featured online. And some have seen their first commercial releases-- for example, the Strut label has put out numerous compilations. I'd had no idea how big the library-music business was in the '60s and '70s, particularly in Britain and in Europe in general. Only recently did I discover that the 'Music by DeWolfe' mentioned in the credits of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" referred to one of those companies, not to a composer. Many well-known musicians were moonlighting by composing and performing entire albums sold only to TV/radio/movie production companies while we members of the public who were fans of those musicians never even heard about it.

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One of the cable retro movie channels has this one in regular rotation - I'll happily catch it when it's up. Coming back to this 'hip vs. square' well again with a couple of points that always struck me:

The gig that the band plays at - the place looks like some kind of hip venue, with its colorful decor, but the crowd is all posh, well-dressed, over-25 folks, not the type one would expect for such a place and act. Either they're a bunch of progressive sophisticates going slumming (maybe even booking the place for a private soiree), or it's likely they're all spies going undercover poorly* - including the FBR guys whose idea of blending in is wearing Halloween devil horns (what's up with that?!)

The Pudlians. I have to assume they're an expy of the Beatles (as in 'Liverpudlians'). So here's the vanguard of pop music, indeed of culture at the time, looking about a year out of date with their natty suits and fisherman caps - they look more like the Monkees! Of course, the Beatles themselves had quit touring about a year before as well. But, I'm nit-picking - having been there as a kid, I'm aware how rapidly tastes and styles changed then. (and of course they're not musicians, are they?)


*I give Kropotkin points for having the smarts to dress appropriately working in the (literal) field, in farmer gear as opposed to all those other guys in their shiny black suits.


Note: Clear Light (minus Barry) recorded their "She's Ready to Be Free" in a take I may like better than the movie cut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wfk2YlAMBo

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