This vs Harakiri


I have watched yesterday Kobayashi's Samurai Rebellion, and I was left oddly unsatisfied. I had liked his Seppuku / Harakiri a heck of a lot, but Rebellion just felt flat. It's true, though, that the title of the movie has been translated wrongly, as far as I have understood (too lazy to dive now into my Japanese dictionaries) it actually reads as "The Rebellious Woman" or so. Which would have changed my expectations, and as such, probably, my enjoyment of the movie. To watch something called "Samurai Rebellion" and actually see a domestic drama about the sad fate of a woman is a little disconcerting.

Then again, even apart from that, the movie just didn't have the subtle ethical dilemmas and grim atmosphere of Seppuku. The main problems here are as follows.
1. The Lord of the land commits a set of abuses connected to a woman and the people around her, which have to be sanctioned at some point, even at the cost of a whole clan.
2. An individual cannot possibly be just the network of social relations and obligations surrounding him or her, and the main characters are trying to get a life apart from the social system they are a part of - even at the cost of being crushed by said system.
3. There are vague hints that the actions of the mean Lord were somewhat dictated by the official norms and traditions themselves, so the woman in question was not oppressed just by a mean individual in a position of power, but by the whole tradition she was a part of.
4. There is duty, and there is moral right, and sometimes they interfere and one has to decide, losing something either way.

The thing is that 2 & 3 are at most hinted at vaguely, while 1 & 4 are not particularly interesting. Problem 3 is really just one sentence uttered by Nakadai's character in front of the Lord, and problem 2 as such is also mostly a sentence of Mifune's, while in practice it gets overlapped by 4. As to problem 4, we have several characters trapped between the Lord's orders and the inner sense of morality, and while Ichi's family chooses the inner morality (and die as a consequence of that), Nakadai's character picks the duty (...and dies as a consequence of it). Then we have Ichi & co's stubbornness against duty to the Matsudaira clan and duty to their own family, which is unclearly presented as either problem 2 (individual desire against social system), or problem 4 (inner sense of justice vs outer duty, fight against kidnapping vs submission to the Lord's orders).

Seppuku's moral plight was much more continuous and smooth - the unjustified aggressiveness of the Samurai Code in a time of peace, against humanitarian (and probably deeper Buddhist) principles, and also its perversion by the increasingly lax attitude of its practitioners. The ethical argument was sharp and painful as a katana, the humanism was warm, laughing, crying and bleeding, and apart from that, the visual metaphors were deep and compelling. Nakadai's Hanshiro himself was more of an archetype than an actual human being, he was relentless retribution, a bleeding wound frozen in time until the corroded blade that opened it was found and punished. Both movies end with the two individual dramas frustratingly concealed by the clan officials, little red specs crushed under the millstones of large-scale politics, but while Seppuku takes it with a world-wrecking visual metaphor and a grain of cynical humor, Rebellion whimpers and declaims.

So, in comparison, Rebellion was descriptively, visually and theoretically confusing. Not deadly confusing, of course, but still deflating. I can only think of a handful of images that had an effect on me, which is also why my analysis is so focused on the ethical part of the story. Neither Ichi, not Yogoro looked like more of a sketch, and apart from some generic "damn women had a bad fate during the Shogunate" reaction, I never felt truly involved in their fate. Of course that playing ping-pong with a woman's life is not nice, but come on, this was such a minor issue compared to the problems from Seppuku - and to my own expectations when I read the title of the movie. Isaburo felt more like a frustrated old man who is trying to (almost forcefully at times) project his dreams of happiness on his son, the Lord and the Intendent were typically bad guys, and Nakadai's Tatewaki was more of an afterthought, almost redundant in the story. I believe that the worst offender here was Ichi and Yogoro's life together, which was supposed to be the portrayal of familial happiness. At least we're told so. In reality, it was the same ritualistic stiffness - and I won't even begin to compare this with the happy scenes from Tsugumo's life with his daughter and son in law. In fact, if the happiness of the three Sasaharas had been actually shown, I think that their subsequent plight would have been much more convincing. Of course, Kobayashi doesn't do very much in the direction of creating an actual universe behind the screen, his worlds look like artificial compositions in both cases, but the construction from Seppuku is so beautiful and complex that it pretty much catches life.

And I never really felt tensed - what I felt was rather discomfort at the domestic conflicts, and toward the end a whiff of irritation at stuff being blown out of proportions. Indeed, the latter could have become a tragic cry of suffocation of the little human against the social bulldozer, problem 2 was by far the most interesting one - and who knows, maybe on a second viewing I'll focus on it and draw more from this movie. But this time, it didn't do more than tug a little at the corner of my eye (or the corner of my humanistic principles).

So, what do you say? I have seen that Rebellion is considered by many to be at least as good as Seppuku, which sort of made me scratch my head.

there's a highway that is curling up like smoke above her shoulder

reply

"2. An individual cannot possibly be just the network of social relations and obligations surrounding him or her, and the main characters are trying to get a life apart from the social system they are a part of - even at the cost of being crushed by said system."

They might eventually be crushed by the system, but fighting valiantly and dying with integrity isn't nearly as bad as learning helplessness and living through such dire consequences. Either way, the legend of Isaburo lives to be told through the housemaid. This, in all probability, can bring down the establishment and serve up the lord with his comeuppance.

"3. There are vague hints that the actions of the mean Lord were somewhat dictated by the official norms and traditions themselves, so the woman in question was not oppressed just by a mean individual in a position of power, but by the whole tradition she was a part of."

True. But the flaws of the traditions are seen only when the individual in power misuses it and brings about injustice. I think Kobayashi has a serious problem with social establishments, social inequality and bureaucracy. Isaburo even states "Everyone has to live their own life." And doesn't hold any anger against the brother or the wife.

"4. There is duty, and there is moral right, and sometimes they interfere and one has to decide, losing something either way."

Absolutely. And it's a very hard choice to make. Which is why they take Isaburo and Yogoro keep swaying with their actions and decisions.

"Seppuku's moral plight was much more continuous and smooth"

Yes, because he had nothing to lose. And he was far more angry. He had no choice. He had lost everything. He had only purpose, to avenge the murder and torture of his family. Here, having a life of security and his family, both (moral and pragmatic) options held equal weightage and hence, made it harder to choose.

"Of course that playing ping-pong with a woman's life is not nice, but come on, this was such a minor issue compared to the problems from Seppuku - and to my own expectations when I read the title of the movie."

You do realize that throwing light on minor issues and making you invest emotionally in the stories of the characters is harder than making you feel strongly about higher degrees of injustice. Like if they showed Ichi being raped a few times by the lord, then you'd feel much more strongly about it. But, then again, it could've been manipulative. Because, she's only a part of the story. It's actually Isaburo's story. In both cases, someone in power perpetrates a cold act of injustice. And we just see the heartlessness more in Sepukku. The ugly side of things. Here, it's more about a man's need to find purpose. And I think that he chose a great deed to derive purpose from.

"In fact, if the happiness of the three Sasaharas had been actually shown, I think that their subsequent plight would have been much more convincing. "

It seems that, women from that period were comfortably servile and submissive. And hence, they weren't allowed to be too expressive, more graceful and disciplined, which Isaburo's wife states explicitly. Again, Kobayashi's a genius at manipulating audiences. We judge her based on a story we hear about her. And we hope the family declines the burden of accepting her. But then we find out she's nothing like what we expect her to be. And I think that's enough for the family and us, the audience, since we're rooting for the family, to feel a sense of gratitude. Then, when the lord demands her back, we wish Isaburo will not dance to his tunes, to his whims and fancies.

So, what do you say? I have seen that Rebellion is considered by many to be at least as good as Seppuku, which sort of made me scratch my head.

I liked Seppukku more. But both films get a 10/10 from me. Seppukku was more tense and exciting. Packed with surprises, the film springs one after the other. Did you think Hanshiro'd be able to get himself out of the mess? And the caustic dialogue, damn' Seppukku's a masterpiece.

http://premiercritic.blogspot.in

reply

the legend of Isaburo lives to be told through the housemaid. This, in all probability, can bring down the establishment and serve up the lord with his comeuppance.

That would be nice, but it's not the impression I was left with...

Here, having a life of security and his family, both (moral and pragmatic) options held equal weightage and hence, made it harder to choose.

That is true.

Here, it's more about a man's need to find purpose.

True again. I thought that his desire to find purpose trumped pretty strongly his desire for security, though. The choice was hard for his son, Isaburo seemed pretty sure of what he wanted.

"In fact, if the happiness of the three Sasaharas had been actually shown, I think that their subsequent plight would have been much more convincing."
It seems that, women from that period were comfortably servile and submissive. And hence, they weren't allowed to be too expressive, more graceful and disciplined, which Isaburo's wife states explicitly.


I wasn't asking for an explosive display of happiness, or for Ichi's happiness to be visible. Just for that aura of contentment and relaxation we get in Seppuku about the other family.

Thanks for the answer! I must confess that, after these few months, I have trouble remembering the story from Rebellion, whereas the one from Seppuku is still very vivid after more than one year. And indeed, the dialogue was quite caustic.

there's a highway that is curling up like smoke above her shoulder

reply

Yeah, his son was younger, had much more to live for and a long life ahead. Isaburo, on the other hand, was old and knew his days were numbered. Hence, he felt compelled to step in and stand up for something in his life. After all his family are the ones who're going to remember him. How would you want to be remembered? It's sort of like American Beauty, where circumstances bring you out of your midlife crisis. Great statement by him "Never in my life have I felt so alive."

You're right. Ichi was more grateful than happy. But don't you think Hanshiro's family was more extraverted? And in Seppukku too, one might claim that she wasn't happy, because if you remember Hanshiro narrates something along the lines of "Motome needed to accept my daughter. I'm sure that Miho wouldn't have no problem." That's massively sexist, right? But I assume it was part of that time. And within those boundaries, women certainly seemed to have found happiness. Also, with Isaburo's wife being an overbearing woman lurking around, it's hard to be absolutely happy. But being used to it, you might still be very content.

Do check out my post on both this and Harakiri. Would like to hear your thoughts.

http://premiercritic.blogspot.in

reply

[deleted]

I was impressed and affected equally by both, and see them as sort of mirrors and partners of each other. For "Rebellion", I was especially impressed with Ichi: the quiet, timid exterior that softly unveils the unbending will and the sense of self, made explicit in her quiet statement: "My father is my father. I am me." And, in the end, she decides her own fate, given the horrible position she's been forced into.

In fact, it's interesting how, in this story, women are the soul and the engine of the story to an extent: Suga is a strong-willed shrewish wife who has a definite decisive voice in the family. Ichi is not a passive creature but a woman who makes decisions and takes actions - even before her happy marriage she has made a strong, firm decision about her unhappy life with the lord. And the servant at the end, so quiet and unassuming, ventures out to find the baby; she knows the story, she knows why it needs to be told, she has probably heard Isburu's last prayer that Tomi be like her mother. And she will carry the baby and the story to Edo, so that, if nothing else, Tomi will know it. And we will know it. Tomi herself is the daughter of the House.

reply