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Would you stand up and fight back?


Clearly, "The Incident" was a social commentary encompassing themes of sociology, criminal psychology, ethics, theology, and the study of self-defense. If anything, the message of this independant movie must be that evil should be forcibly confronted at the earliest opportunity. But doing so late is better than never, although the cost might be higher. It's said that most bullies are vicious cowards as was depicted by the second of the hooligans who lost his bravado when his leader buddy went down with a bashed skull. But you can't always count on that. Indeed, the dominant of the two thugs was already so emboldened by the timidity of the subway train passengers that nothing short of superior force was going to make him back down. Moreover, the thug was armed with a weapon, a switchblade, while the courageous G.I. was not only unarmed, but had a broken arm in a cast, which must have emboldened the thug into perceiving that he was facing a much weaker, unarmed opponent.

The question is, would you fight if you were in this situation? I exempt the existence of firearms for this question because the police and self-defense experts all agree it is best not to oppose a firearm, unless a criminal has the barrel up against your head and you see him starting to pull the trigger; then you have nothing to lose. But if it was the same two thugs, armed only with a knife, would you fight?

I can speak for myself, and 'honestly' here, as if I am confessing. I feel that I could, IF, another guy stood up first. Then I would stand and back him up because then the odds would be even and the two thugs would have to think twice about facing even odds. More, seeing two guys standing up against two thugs, other guys might stand up and join us. The presumption of good versus evil is that evil retreats when forcibly confronted - against at least equal power and it has the opportunity to escape and is not cornered. I'm not going to BS about being some kung fu hero. Any kind of dangerous scenario involving armed assailants bent on hurting someone is going to be high risk and end in someone getting hurt.

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Tough call...if you assume they DON'T have a gun, then possibly. Although I might not unless they were trying to hurt my wife or child. Selfishly, I might not do anything as long as they were bothering someone else. I think I'd try to call the police first. Remmember, these days w/ cell phones it's much easier and couldn't have been done so back then.

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I don't know. I'd have to be in that position to know one way or another. What irritated me was that even after the courageous soldier started fighting against the punk, nobody else on the subway, not even the other soldier would jump in to try to subdue the other punk. It seems to me that if the others would have had the slightest bit of nerve, they'd have teamed up and either helped the courageous soldier or gone after the sidekick punk.

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Really, there were several men big enough to have taken these punks down (they were drunk at that).

The real question is, where was Chuck Norris? He woulda kicked their butts in 10 seconds....

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That's true. And personally, I would have liked to see Ed McMahon as the hero. Either he could have hit one of them with a broken Budweiser bottle (remember Ed was always doing commercials for Bud). Or maybe he could have told one of the punks that he had just won the 500 million dollar Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes. Or he could have just driven them crazy by laughing at everything they said, kind of like he used to always laugh at everything Johnny Carson said....LOL.

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LOL, your post is sweet!

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haha, but Chuck Norris didn't come along til the 70s :P

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The same, i'd wait for the black guy or one of the soldiers to do something, unless they came and messed with me earlier. When the one armed vet took them on i would have helped him out for sure, take on the 2nd guy so they can't gang up on him and hope someone else helps him out. You know how that goes, you go after the main one to gang up on him and his buddy jumps you from behind. Try to get some kind of understanding with the other men on the train with only eye contact and surprise them, you don't just go one by one then they'll drop all of you one by one.

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Six months ago a very similar situation happened to me in an early morning train (Cronulla service, Sydney). Two drunk teens, both white and not large much like in the film. Was taking schoolgirl rowers to training (I'm the coach) and therefore had to deal with them myself. They were carrying on until they started talking to the girls and I had to speak up. Stupidly I managed to offend the leader (he was telling a girl he looked old for his age, he didn't..)suddenly there was talk of me being jabbed. I was confused but apparently they had knives and jabbing is what they call stabbing people. I quickly talked them down with claims they were overreacting- something that would never calm a chick but worked well here. You really do feel isolated in a situation like this, one on one I would of backed myself, against two I wasn't so sure. When weapons are mentioned (did they have them, I never saw, they were going to Cronulla though so wasn't taking any chances) any thought of fight becomes untenable. I was prepared to lunge forward and grab the wrists of the first one I saw making a motion to pull a knife, head-butt him in the face and kick or knee to the groin. I was quite a big bigger and surely the superior wrestler. Still, unless you know people will jump in even two on one just seems too dangerous to engage.

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to be honest, no, two guys vs one, and their confidence clearly suggested they either had concealed weapons.

but clearly, if beau bridges started fighting, i'd at least join in. the rest of the car was in a coma, that scene was a bit unbelievable.

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I'm not proud to admit it, but I have a case of repressed anger over the years, so I'd probably snap if they tried that bullying (like they did to Kenneth) on me.

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My girlfriend and I were walking along a street in San Francisco one afternoon in 1978. We heard screams, and a young woman sprinted past us, being pursued by a man in his twenties brandishing a lug-nut wrench. Without taking any time to think, I said "wait here" and ran after him. When I caught up to him, I grabbed him from behind, hugging him with both arms, and held on tight. There was a telephone booth nearby (no cell phones in '78) and I held the guy while my girlfriend called the cops. Fortunately the guy, who was my size, was cooling down and didn't resist much. The interesting thing is that I was not particularly strong, or a "tough guy". I never got in fights, and in school had always been intimidated by bullies. Secretly, I had often wondered if I was a coward. Even after this incident, and to this day, I'm not sure what I'd do if a similar situation arose again. You just never know how you are going to react.

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Wow, fascinating. Did the guy say anything to you while you held him? And what happened when the police arrived?

I just saw the movie by the way, and it was terrific.

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