Elvira Madigan...


Is one of the most beautiful, atmospheric, films I have ever seen. From the music to the cinematography. The chemistry between Thommy Berggren and Pia Degermark is amazing. The fact that it's based on a true story makes it all the more tragic and heartbreaking. It is definately on my list of films that make me feel like I've been taken to another time ( Picnic at Hanging Rock, Lolita 1997, Days of Heaven, to name a few). I doubt anyone will post something about this film anytime soon but I just wanted to say how I felt about it.

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I too like this movie very much. I think it's quite underrated.

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I first saw "Elvira Madigan" in 1968 while on a job interview in Washington DC. (I was 22.) This was when theaters still had a certain panache. I think I even remember the name of the theater - the Janus. It was all red velvet with subdued lighting. There were maybe 50 people in the audience.

It had just come out, so the visual quality of the film was pristine. This was a copy in Swedish with English subtitles. I note this because when it played smaller cities, it was dubbed.

It was and is one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen. It was almost magical. My knowlege of classical music was very limited, so it was also my first exposure to Mozart's "Piano concerto No. 21."

The love between Elvira and Lt. Sparre is so achingly graceful and so doomed.

One scene in particular sticks in my mind. Sparre is racing through the ruins of a circus destroyed by battle. And he screams "Krieg, Krieg." And I recognized the word from German class - "War, war."

But there's another reason it was so potent. It seemed so similiar to the events in the real world - Vietnam. This was my senior year, and my draft lottery number was 45, so I was frequently overcome by severe depression. And Lt. Sparre embodied everything I felt and believed. (As a very, young lonely gay man, I felt myself to almost be in love with him.)

It still has the power to conjure up a certain sadness in my psyche. For anyhing to do that have such a period is indeed a supreme work of art.

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"It still has the power to conjure up a certain sadness in my psyche. For anyhing to do that have such a period is indeed a supreme work of art. "

I couldn't agree with you more jamessweeney.

My knowledge of classical music is limited as well and this movie not only showed me about this true, tragic, love story but it also exposed me to such amazing music. I have always loved the connection this movie has with the beautiful music by Mozart (Vivaldi as well). This film is truly a dreamy, haunting, musical video.

Thank you for sharing your connection to the film. I can only imagine what it must have been like for you to have to live through such a scary time in your life. I most definitely would have been depressed as well.

The actor who played Lt. Sixten Sparre (Thommy Berggren) was so handsome and he seemed to truly be in love with her. To this day I have a crush on the actor in the film who's probably a lot older by now, lol.

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I agree that the film is sublime, and it is a good testament to Widerbergs directing that you find chemistry between Berggren and Degermark, as the truth of the matter was that at the time, Berggren disliked the casting of Degermark and pitied her for having been given such a big task with neither talent nor experience. Though he kept it to himself at the time, he has admitted in later interviews, that he thought it a horrible misscast and was annoyed that the part had not gone to trained actress. A thought that was shared by the Grand Seigneur of swedish cinematography, Ingmar Bergman, at the time. Miss Degermark could not say her lines correctly and ended up being dubbed when it was clear that she could not produce a convincing danish accent.

Both Berggren and Bergman have later stated that though they could not see it back then, with time they both came to see why Widerberg casted Degermark.

They agree that it is "something in her eyes", which can be construed as the self destructivity that would later get her in trouble. Bipolarity say some, schizofrenia say others - who knows? The fact of the matter is that this film, or the attention from it, was instrumental in her destruction. Was it worth it?

Shouldn't someone who has noted a streak of self harming in another person try to help them, in stead of exploiting it to make a film? Her parents obviously did not catch it, but Widerberg did - and what does he do? Does he have a talk with her parents? Does he leave her well alone to sort out her own demons? No - he _uses_ it for effect... I find this film immensly beatiful, but I would rather be without it if it meant that Miss Degermark's life had been less troublesome. She was only seventeen and _noone_ helped her handle the attention this brought her.

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I watched this film before I ever watched "Picnic at Hanging Rock" & it reminded me of it, not at all the story line, it was the soft dream like atmosphere.
I really enjoyed this film.

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Since this is m favorite lifetime film, bubba, stop right now thinking you are alone in your adoration! Savor this current obsession, play your wonderful Mozart, and enjoy yourself, thoroughly. The very first time I saw 'Elvira Madigan', I simply, literally could not SPEAK for at least four or five hours.

However, I know nothing about Pia Degermark's life after this film, only that when she went to Cannes to accept the Best Actress award, she was 'ill', and had lost a lot of weight, needing to be in a wheel chair much of the time. I got this from an article LIFE magazine ran at the time. Reading it last year, I figured that this had been anorexia - but the term wasn't in common usage back then - or the magazine agreed not to call it that. Can you tell me what you know of Pia's life in this regard? I am terribly sad to hear that she had such unhappiness. I don't believe I ever saw a more beautiful teenaged girl in my entire life.
Thanks!

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Here is an interesting interview with Pia Degermark published in Jan 2004. At the time she was out of prison, sober for six years, and seemingly doing well.

http://www.nkmr.org/english/pia_degermark_you_always_get_another_chance.htm

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I've never seen nor heard of this movie until today. You seem to know about it. Maybe you should write the IMDB synopsis (I'm serious). It seems like a movie that I'd like.

"I love corn!"

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Beautiful, classic film in every way. Perhaps the most gorgeous and gentle film I've ever seen in fact.
(I find it disturbing that the OP also cited the horrendous, overtly sleazy "Lolita '97", but that's not to be analyzed here...)

As for the director exploiting Pia's mental health, I never heard that he was at all aware of her problems, and I'm not certain that they had even manifested themselves at the time. That came later, how much later I don't really know but by all accounts that I've read in the past noone realized it in 1966. This would be consistent with the commonality of bipolar and other diseases beginning in early adulthood. She did some other movies too; remember that awful "Vampire Happening" thing? I bet there were plenty of drugs and other such things on that set, enough to cause some issues with anyone in a delicate mental position.
Maybe I need to read more about it; I know she's supposed to be ok now, and little more than that. I see how she believes her life may have been easier had this role never happened, but doesn't necessarily have anything to back up the assertion. She's just speculating, and even if she's talking about her own life, ask anyone about how different their lives would have been without certain events and people, and it's still merely speculation. None of us could know.
Unless I uncover some hard evidence, though, I applaud the fact that Bo Widerberg chose Pia Degermark for the role, because this movie would not have worked nearly as well with anyone else. She was extremely special in that time and place.

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sean4554, when I was comparing movies that were similar to Elvira Madigan and I mentioned Lolita '97, I meant the cinematography, it had a dreamlike quality like Elvira Madigan. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I just wanted to point that out because the story of this movie bared no resemblance to that of Lolita, I was just trying to use that as an example. I should have been a little more clear.

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Sorry that I came off so pompous! I just remember being pretty sickened by that "Lolita" film. But I see what you mean.

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Being that Elvira Madigan is almost universally accepted as a excellent film why is it that I have NEVER EVER seen it on (UK) TV?

Hundreds of inferior films get shown, some again and again(!), but never this film.

Anyone know the answer to this mystery?

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I've never seen it on US television either. But that isn't so strange is it? Look at what they do show.
To see this film your best bet is to get the dvd (which is region free) or find an old videotape. If you wait for it to show up on tv...you might not even live that long.

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I'm in the US and I've seen it before. I'm shocked that it came on tbh. It came on a Showtime channel a good number of years ago. It's been at least 9 or 10 years. I think it came on some typical graveyard timeslot. I guess that's a pro/con thing, eh?

Pro:
At least it was shown somewhere on some station.


Con:
It's a shame the film couldn't have been shown in a later timeslot so people could watch it. It really is an excellent film. I guess they just figured many Americans wouldn't care about it. "I have to read subtitles to watch this movie????!!! Forget about it!" I'm sure it would've gained a few new fans though, ya know? Some people really do like to think outside of the box.

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I keep hearing the classical music from this movie on a TV channel and came here to see if there was any chatter at all. Because this is a truly forgotten movie that I've never seen, nor do I know anyone who has, but it was HUGE in 1967. HUGE. And it has disappeared, over the years, never being shown on TV, no one ever talking about it, nothing. Just one of those odd things.

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I was a pre-teen when Elvira Madigan came out and even though I didn't see it at the time of its initial release, I remember it being a huge sensation here in the US. It generated a flurry of interest in Scandinavian films, in Mozart, etc.

I finally saw it when I was an adult and thought it was wonderful and lived up to the hype. But by that time, its reputation was already fading. I don't understand this at all. I saw it again recently and it's as fresh and beautiful as the first time I saw it.

If anyone has the answer to the mystery of why it's so largely forgotten, I'd love to know it.

"The night was sultry."

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No problem, I understand where you were coming from. :-)

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I loved this movie, magical feel and amazing cinematography, but there is one thing that left me a little bit unsatisfied in the end.

Anyone else thought the tragic of the situation was a little underdeveloped before the last scene?
What I mean is, for the biggest part of the movie it is shown how good they are together and enjoying each other while putting everything else on the side, but the fact they run eventually out of money and are unable to do anything is just depicted in a few scenes. So when I watched it without knowing the story, the scene where they killed themselves came a little too quickly and unexpectedly for me, maybe it needed to be a little longer, or maybe its just me.

PS: Elvira said at one point that her hand is like a map and the lines are like borders and that she's just interested in the whole hand. Also she said that she had friends in France and Italy if I remember right. Why couldnt they just go there to start over?

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I think throughout the film they stress that he's a deserter and therefore it's implied he can't travel or get a job. I'm not sure what the punishment would be back then but i'm guessing he'd either be shot or sent to jail for a very long time meaning he'd never see Elvira again. I think that's why they chose to just die together rather than run that risk being separated.

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I agree FULLY with the OP, not only concerning the film but also concerning the actor who portrayed Sixten Sparre. Handsome indeed

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