Dylan and Joan Baez


I just watched this documentary in film class today and I thought the way that Dylan would blantantly ignore Joan Baez was interesting. It seems as though she had a puppy dog crush on him because of the way that she often called him Bobby and was always trying to get his attention, but he always acted like she wasn't even in the room. In fact I never once saw him even remotely acknowledge her. I looked it up online and it said that they had an affair that ended in 1965 (at the time that this doc was filmed), do you think that he was trying to keep the affair out of the spotlight or were we witnessing Dylan giving Baez the brush off?

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Dylan was giving her the brush off...it was on this tour that Baez pretty much finally got the clue that Dylan was going in a different direction, both musically and personally.

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Thanks for the info

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He'd also met the woman he was going to marry at the end of 1965, Sara Lownds (born Shirley Noznisky), a friend of Sally Grossman (Albert's wife, the lovely woman on the cover of "Bringing It All Back Home")and had been seeing her in secret for some months. Sara might have been pregnant by then, as their first child was born in January 1966.

Joan had invited herself on the UK tour thinking that Bob would invite her onstage to sing, to introduce her to British audiences, the way she'd done for him. Didn't work out like that. He thought his affair with Baez was way too public, and she was behaving like a pest on the tour.

She encountered Sara for the first time outside Dylan's hospital roomn when he was briefly down with the flu and Sara was there to nurse him back to health (they'd been in Paris together, then Portugal), and Baez immediately realized what was going on. It was a couple weeks after the Dylan tour, and Baez was back in London for her own Albert Hall concert, which due to the illness, presumably, Dylan did not attend.

She left the Dylan tour in a huff right after the "see-through blouse you don't wanna" incident, joining her parents in Paris.

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"see-through blouse you don't wanna" incident

What was this?

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Yeah, I'm curious too what that means.


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I watched the movie.
One of Dylan's friends was poking fun at Joan Baez and said it. It wasn't a big deal, everyone laughed about it. And from what I observed, Dylan didn't necessarily ignore her anymore or less than he ignored everyone on that particular tour. He's in his own little world for the entire film, basically listening to what everyone else is saying and keeps to himself for the most part. The only times he speaks is if he's making fun of someone or having a problem with something.
So in my personal opinion, it wasn't just Baez he was ignoring. But I'm sure if he had wanted her around, he would've paid a little more attention to her. After all, she did kind of invite herself on tour with him. He probably wasn't very pleased with that to begin with.
But it wasn't easy to find a happy Bob Dylan during that time period, so who the hell really knows.

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What does see through blouse mean?

And I do think Dylan was giving her the brush off..he was very cold to her and she seemed to get on his nerves if you watch his facial expressions and eyes when she's around, and in some scenes you can tell from her body language that she beginning to realize they all think she is a pest.

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They seemed having a good time I think, singing together in the hotel and so. But I see your point on Bob ignoring her and then not inviting her on his tour..

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Joan Baez says in NO DIRECTION HOME that she really didn't need to be there. It wasn't the right time and place for her, and she ended up being pretty much neglected, especially since Bob had lost all interest in her.
I don't mean to impose, but I am the Ocean.

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