When Bob is yelling and questioning the guy he thought had thrown the glass out the window, who was that? Was that Alan Price that he was yelling at? I was reading some reviews on Amazon about it, and at the time I watched the movie I didn't put the two together, I didn't recognize the man who Bob was yelling at as Alan Price, was it? I just thought it was some random guy.
shareNo,it wasn't alan price,for sure.it was a...folksinger,named...oh,God,i can't remember that....sorry
shareThe guy was an unnamed friend of the folk singer Derroll Adams. Alan Price isn't in that scene. Derroll Adams is the guy with the beard. Donovan is bouncing on the couch trying to get everyone to be all happy happy joy joy.
shareIts not Alan Price.
Its just some local folk artist/follower who was attending the get together at the hotel (on the dvd commentary, Pennebaker tells how all the people in the room were from a local folk music club who had just returned from a pub).
The unknown guy plays on his 'smalltimeness' by, when arguing with Dylan, saying "Im nothing, Im a small noise...IM NOTHING!"
To which dylan replies, "I know it...exactly, you're nothing..."
yeah its not lol, i re-rented it last night and watched it this morning and Bob says thats he's not going to take responsibility for 'cats he dont know' or something of that nature,and also the guy who he's yelling at doesn't look like alan price at all.
shareI'm pretty sure the "I'm nothing" guy was Donovan, correct me if I'm wrong.
shareno...wasn't donovan...I think he was a tad too meek and shy, especially considering that he was pretty into dylan...or at least he stole his little hat.
shareIt was absolutely not Donovan. Actually, I think Donovan is somewhere in that scene sitting on a couch.
I love that guy tells Dylan that he's "pissed," and Dylan says, "hey, I don't care if you're pissed, man!" I'm pretty sure that "pissed" means "drunk" in England, but I'm not sure if Bob knew that. He seems to take it insultingly.
Yeah, I thought that was hilarious and wondered how many Americans would notice it. In the UK the word pissed would only be used to describe being drunk, there's some serious communication problems in that scene. So funny.
shareWhen I first saw it, around age 17 or so, I thought it was wonderful to see Dylan stand up for himself against some punk out to get him in trouble. Looking at it now, it seems questionable that the fellow he chastises had anything to do with the glass incident whatsoever. Dylan completely overreacts. The guy in question says several times that he didn't do it and is just trying to have a good time, hence the reason he is so "pissed." In actuality, it seems this drunken fellow is the one really coming out on top; he's one of the few in the film that doesn't kow tow to Dylan's pompous temperment, nor make any attempt to be his lackey (e.g., the sarcastically stated "you're a big international noise! I'm a little noise!"). Later, Dylan asks whether there are any poets around and someone makes a suggestion. Dylan scoffs and says, "no, I mean real poets," or something similar. If you listen, the drunken guy says, "(name of poet) happens to be a close personal friend of mine!" I have a feeling that this guy may have been saying that just to embarrass Dylan, and he apparently does because Dylan softens and says, "I just mean not someone like that," and later offers his best attempt at an apology ("I just don't want anyone getting hurt."). Good stuff.
In fairness to Dylan, it's also clear that so many were desperately vying for his attention & approval leading him to become rightfully paranoid & distrustful, which may have been his nature to begin with.
I've heard that the real culprit was, predictably, among Dylan's entourage. I've even heard it was Bob Neuwirth. Figures.
Joan Baez threw the glass.
sharei think it was the anarchists, shhhh
share"Joan Baez threw the glass."
really? is that confirmed? i watched the audio commentary for that scene, and they said it was "some drunk guy", whom they couldn't remember the name of. perhaps that was their way of covering for Joan...
I read it in an Ebert review and I just assumed that he had good information when he wrote that. But now that I think about it, he often writes things in his reviews that aren't true. So, no I don't think that it is confirmed.
shareThe funniest moment in the film. Dylan says "I don't care who threw the glass, I just want to know who threw the glass".
share I love that whole scene. When that drunk guy says to Dylan, "You're a big noise, and I'm a little noise!', and Dylan says, "That's right, man, you are who you say you are!" (or something to that effect.) Then the older guy (the one who had recorded with Ramblin' Jack Elliot), tries to break them up by asking for more drinks! As if they weren't drunk enough.
I also think its funny how Dylan apologizes to the older man for all the ruckus, saying that he didn't want to see anyone get hurt. You get a glimpse of the nice, well brought-up jewish boy underneath the mod, hipster surface.
I don't think it can be Joan who broke the glass. The earlier hotel scene with her, Dylan and Bob Neuwirth was filmed on May 3-4. According to the book Positively Fourth Street, Neuwirth's digs at her which Dylan was sort of encouraging, was the last straw for her. She went to her room and packed her stuff and took the earliest flight she could get to see her parents who were in Paris. In the old paperback book Don't Look Back the glass scene follows after the concert in Manchester. The Manchester show was May 7 and in the film the glass party is followed by the Royal Albert hall show which was May 10. Since Donovan is supposed to have stayed at Dylan's overnight and helped Dylan and Neuwirth write the flash cards for the Subterranian Homesick Blues film that was shot the next day, it seems that the glass party was May 8-9. I don't think Joan was present at the time. I could imagine Neuwirth knocking the glass over or something.
share In the commentary on the DVD Neuwirth and Pennebaker say the glass was thrown out a bathroom window (and hit a limousine parked on the street), and they both said they couldn't really remember who threw it, but implied that culprit was not one of the Dylan entourage.Of course, Neuwirth could just be covering up his "crime"! But I really think after all these years he would be honest about such a trivial incident and fess up if he had done it.
To the person who mentioned the Ebert review of DLB. Don't take Ebert's word on anything related to this film. That review was one of the stupidest and most unprofessional I have ever read of his. He seemed to think that every dig Dylan made at the reporters in the film were aimed at him (Ebert) personally. The whole review is some weird emotional rant against Dylan. I think Ebert totally misreads Dylan's action and words in the film (something I think many other commentators have done). It sure shows how Dylan can get under someone's skin though.
I don't think it really matters, the glass incident happened 40 or so years ago. I actually think Dylan handled himself pretty good here. Imagine being 23 years old and like everyone else your age up to that point you have only to be responsible for yourself and that's it, then all of a sudden you get handed the key's to the whole world which leads to responsablity's that you or I cannot fathom. Stuff like glass being thrown out a window, unfourtunatly happens when people get drunk, and I can understand Dylan's anger even if it is misdirected at the wrong guy (haven't you ever yelled at a drunk friend for acting a fool?)Dylans intentions are clear in that scene " I just didn't want anybody to get hurt". Maybe he dose have to much venom in his words when talking to reporters but keep in mind he is only 23 years old, even with all of his timeless wisdom, he was still just a kid who found a golden ticket, he knew it and acted accordingly. Hell, I'm 27 and if I ever got that much fame and power It would probably be like dropping a bomb on the town I live in.
shareThe guy who Dylan argues with about the glass - "Im nothing, Im a small noise" - is none other than Malcolm McDowell. How can you people not recognise him?
I have to admit it does look like him but I dont think its him not unless you did hear it from a reliable source I mean a really reliable source.
shareno it is NOT malcolm mcdowell. malcolm mcdowell did not look anything like that guy at that time. mcdowell's hair was much shorter in those years and he was a very well known british television star. as a matter of fact he was a household name in britain. that is NOT him. i'm amazed by how people convince themselves of something without thinking about the facts.
shareHe is certainly "Other" than Malcom McDowell, not even close!
sharewell i know it wasnt donovan but donovan was in that scene and he offers to go down and pick up the glass
shareBob knew what the guy meant when he said he was "pissed". Did you think that was Dylan's first time in the UK? He first visited England in 1962 and did a play called The Madhouse on Castle Street. Surely he frequented the pubs and clubs and had plenty of pints with friends. The term pissed must have been uttered a dozen times before. It is clear that Bob didn't care if the guy was pissed and that there was no reason to throw glass in the street. He was simply trying to protect his image and not give the appearance that he was a mischief causing American. Smart move on Bob's part but you can tell that he himself is a little drunk as well. His words are slurred as he tries to settle the situation without causing too much of an uproar.
But the pissed man who threw the glass in the street is not Alan Price or Donovan but a hanger-on type that came with the folksinger Derroll Adams. Neither Joan Baez or Bob Neuwirth had anything to do with it. Joan wasn't even there that night and Neuwirth was apparently the least inebriated of the bunch, making it unlikely that he'd do something so foolish.
Side Note: Alan Price did open a bottle of New Castle Ale on an old stand-up piano in the waiting room before one of Dylan's shows. He giggles and says, "Wood..." because small chipped pieces of wood from the piano fell into his beer.
I believe that was Derrol Adams who Dylan yells at about the glass.
shareDerrol Adams!!! Are you taking the piss? Derrol Adams was born in OREGON in 1925. That would make him 40 in Don't Look Back. The guy Dylan was arguing with with had a YORKSHIRE accent and was in his early 20's...
And MonkeyMichael, the FACTS are that (1) Malcolm McDowell was in London in '65 (when DLB was filmed) appearing in a couple of Shakespeare plays. Look at other images of him at that time and you will SEE that's how his hair was. (2) McDowell is a recovering alcoholic and used to drink heavily in his younger days. He was well known for doing the party rounds in the mid-60's. (3) McDowell wasn't well known then of course, his breakthrough came a few years later...but his words "You're a big noise. I'm nothing. A small noise" are so poignant...(4) It LOOKS and SOUNDS exactly like him. (5) It actually IS Malcolm McDowell...
Now then, MonkeyMan and Poxviri, go away and find the facts that prove it ISN'T him. I'm betting you haven't even seen Don't Look Back.
"What's your name?"
F uck you. That's my name"
And I forget to add, MonkeyMichael, that when this film was made in 1965, Malcolm McDowell was NOT a household name or a big star and was pretty much unknown. Please get YOUR facts straight...
"What's your name?"
"F uck you. That's my name"
Nah, it's not Malcolm McDowell, just some hanger-on or local folk-singer. If it was Malcolm McDowell, he would have spoken about it by now, as he is a fairly candid guy. It's an amazing scene and I love how the guy stands up to Dylan, looks him in the eye and takes no *beep* unlike everyone else in the film. Dylan gets such treatment from an even more boorish John Lennon in Eat the Document - and the outtakes reveal even more.
"We find ourselves like a hollow glass globe, from the emptiness of which - a voice speaks."
Not to mention that he does not look ANYTHING like Malcolm McDowell.
shareLike I said on the other thread, I found out who the guy was thanks to a D.A. Pennebacker interview I found in an old magazine: he's a Pretty Thing.
- A point in every direction is the same as no point at all.
anyone who has seen this scene a few times will know that its not Malcolm McDowell
anyone who has seen at least one film with Malcolm McDowell will know its not him
He looks nothing like Malcolm McDowell except for maybe the hair
I don't know who it is but you haven't backed up your facts. Most importantly; Malcolm McDowell looks NOTHING like the guy in the film. Maybe your bad with faces but i'm not, it was clear that this was some drunk nobody. Even if Malcolm was a drunk nobody at the time, they had NO resemblance
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I recall reading an article which covered this scene (probably an interview in a Dylan fanzine) where it was revealed that the glass that's referred to wasn't a drinking glass, it was a plate glass shelf from the bathroom, which could have killed a passerby if it hit someone. That puts Dylan's anger into some perspective. If it was a drinking glass, it seems Bob is over-reacting a bit. But sheet glass - well done Bob for being a decent fellow and showing some righteous anger.
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It's Peter Noone.
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