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Anyone who used to like this movie but has now changed their mind?


I have seen Cool Hand Luke at least half a dozen times in my life. I used to think it was a truly great movie. But the last time I saw it, I watched it with a bunch of friends who had never seen it. These were smart people who usually have pretty good taste. But as we watched the movie, they really just didn’t get it. They kept asking, “What’s the point? So this guy gets put in jail for vandalism and just gets keeps getting beat down. What’s so great about that?” They gave up after about the first 40 minutes.

I have to confess though, I had a hard time explaining to them why this movie is supposed to be good. I just couldn’t seem to find the words. I started to question if it really is such a good movie. I haven’t tried it again since then, so I’m not sure what I think of it now.

So, has anyone else had a similar experience with this movie? If so, what did you ultimately decide?

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I watched it first time when I was about 17 (I'm 31 now) and felt like crying, that's how much I loved it. Seen it several times since then. After a few years I decided IT will remain my favourite movie forever.

I haven't seen it for more than 3 years now, and I've seen it again 2 days ago and after that I decided IT will remain my favourite movie forever.

I guess it's impossible to explain why is this movie great to someoane who asks why is this movie great.

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I think some of the problem is that movies were a done bit differently back in the 60's and before - the pacing in older films is a lot less frenetic than in most modern flicks. If your friends have the average modern American attention span of 2.3 seconds, then you're probably wasting time trying to get them to watch ANY films made before 1990 or so.

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That's the typical snarky knock on anyone younger, but his friends weren't complaining about it being slow. They were asking about the point of the story. I think part of the problem is you have to watch it all the way through to understand the message.

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I used to love this movie and I still do. Why? Not sure I can put it properly into words either, but I'll try.

It's a superb character study of the ultimate rebel - and one who does it by not asking anyone else but himself to take on the risks of such a rebellion. Luke is alone, unbowed and cool to the very end - like an uncut diamond refusing to let itself be brought into shape.

His rebellion is useless, stupid, futile, but for one thing: it asks the necessary questions. Why is he there? Why does there have to be something like that place at all? Does a system - right or wrong - mark men, or do they mark the system?

All that... and Newman.

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You've articulated it quite well. I'll have to see it again some day and find out how much I still like it - or don't like it. But I think what you've written is well put.

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Great discussion.
Another reason some viewers will have trouble with this movie is the nature of Luke's character. Today's audience are spoon-fed conventional heroes such as Spiderman or Bruce Willis who fight the bad guys, make the right choices and give speeches about freedom.
Luke is charasmatic, but his major "heroic" traits were his non-conformity and stubborn refusal to knuckle under to any kind of authority. That made him an iconic, tragic hero for the 60's, and the film is awash in Jesus symbolism to underline the point.
Today's action-oriented, conservative and less-questioning society wouldn't find those traits heroic at all.

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I think this is all very true. You could wonder why he so badly needs to fight the system, when before, he was just quiet and paid attention, not causing any riffs. Well, what do you think you would do if you were stopped from your normal routine to be punished... because your mother died?

I think that is the real turning point for Luke. Sure, the prison rules were also stupid, but we see at the beginning of the movie, he is smart, only a bit misguided. Like anneandwalt-1 said, his character has so much more depth than your flat, standard heroes (I wouldn't say that's a strictly modern thing, though.)

I don't think the camera work is totally dull, but it doesn't totally stand out, either. It is the imagery that what has made this film so iconic (which was also popular in films at this time).

I would suggest watching it again with these things in mind. When I first saw it (16 or 17), I didn't even notice this heavy Jesus imagery, which I now find hilarious.

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I don't think it is easy for most people to relate to the character of Luke because they simply cannot fathom the feelings which motivate him. If one tries to use reason to live ones life, and really thinks about ones actions and what said actions will bring to you, then of course what he is and what he does seems completely and utterly ridiculous. As some people have said he either seems like a suicidal maniac or an arrogant 'douche', while the reality of it is that while both these things may be true to a point, that they are merely manifest because of something deeper in his core. These aren't the cause of his plight, but are rather just results or the outward and incomplete appearance of what he (in my projections) feels inside.

Lesser rebels in movies and literature are due mostly to immaturity or out of some crippling insecurity or inherent loneliness. They are young and impassioned and do not know where to direct their angers and frustrations, these are not wholly rebels but are just confused and more stubborn than the average person. However Luke is not trying to rebel, he does not want to be loved or recognized, nor does he want to die a martyr, he does not even care about impressing the other men gang-mates. Being an outsider and a loner has become far too romanticized and fashionable nowadays, and it is only shown now in such a light where it is cool, and where people emulate it in order to try to ironically fit in with the 'I dont fit in anywhere' crowd. I am also aware of the irony that this movie contributed alot to these conceptions, but I don't think the character of Luke himself falls victim to these trappings.

He has seen the good side of life, had a love that could have been a lasting one, and it simply did not bring him happiness. He was born through and through simply unable to fit into society the way that it wanted and demanded of him, there was just no place for someone like him right from the get go. It was not that he was only happy if he was rebelling, he simply was not happy with anything anyone had to offer for him. He could not just do the things that he was supposed to, could not get his 'mind right'. From the sounds of it, he had tried very hard for a very long time to just fit in, but ultimately he just right off didn't know where to put his hands on anything.

I could go on alot more getting into what I think about his character and why, but I will try to keep it brief. For what I have said and for reasons more, I find him to be one of the most admirable and at the same time pitiable embodiments of the so called rebel that I have ever come across. I admire him for his spirit and refusal to just give in to the things which threaten to take away that which is most precious to him, but at the same time I pity him because the way he was, he never had a chance to make it in this world. I have loved this movie for years for giving me one of the most intimate and personal portrayals of what it really means to not fit in, and I suspect and hope that it will be a favorite of mine for as many years as I have left.

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Great points for sure! Donn Pearce is the author of the book and a prisoner himself in the Florida system for a time. Could it be that the author was trying to convey the idea that the system is the problem. After all, why was Luke sent to prison? Vandalism of public property. A drunken Luke sawed-off parking meters from their posts. Does that warrant a prison sentence? No one was hurt. How about a night in the local county lock-up and a small fine? The parking meters could have easily been welded back on to their posts. No real damage was done. A PRISON sentence. For vandalism. It's my opinion Pearce was showing that America, with all it's authoritarian organizations, was becoming a country of conformists and a hater of freedom. Not a good thing. As a kid in high school , when I first saw CHL, I remember looking up to Dennis Hopper's and George Kennedy's characters. Easy going, going along to get along types. But now 30+ years later, I think, while fun to watch, they were pathetic, if not, mentally unstable characters. Film has a subtle way, a power to form behavior and ideas in people. I hope the producers of this film had the intention of showing the authoritarian system is what was at fault and I hope it was not the intent of the producers to use the Luke character as a lesson that ultimately ends with conformity to an authoritarian society as the goal.

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Even later to the question, but Luke's rebellion and refusal to go along, may have formed in Korea. As a war hero, he was likely traumatized, so now he asks the question "what's the point?". He talks to God asking what He wants Luke to do. PSTD or other of war's mind *beep* may make him who he is. It seems a very real character type to me, lost in the futility of it all, but too stubborn to change.

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Just watched tonight for the first time in HD and widescreen.
Last saw in 1985 on VHS.

I wanted to answer the question posed but after reading your response I have nothing to add.

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Words of wisdom indeed. I'm the kind of person who usually feels emotional about a movie that makes a good impression on me, and am a sucker for the hope that I'll win some "converts" and other people will bow down with gratitude that I introduced them to this great film. It's a great feeling when it happens, and sometimes it does. But oh how it hurts to the bone when they don't like it! I figure if I'm going to do it I'm willingly taking a risk that other people's taste won't be like mine. But that doesn't diminish the disappointment when they don't like it. Yeah, I've learned to be more careful than I used to be.

Sometimes I think maybe a better approach would be to tell other people "Personally, I loved this movie, but I don't recommend it for you. I'm not sure it's up your alley." If you frame it as a challenge, that might intrigue them. And if doesn't, the movie probably would have been wasted on them anyway!

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thats the best way to go into a movie, not expecting ANYTHING. i think thats why so many people didnt like no country for old men. they expected one thing and when they got something else they were disappointed. i have to say theyre like small children in that regard. :) i dont understand how people can see cool hand luke and not like it, no matter what they were told or what they expected. my guess is theyre very young. shakin it up here boss!


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First watched 'Cool Hand Luke' when i was 8 or 9 and loved it. Seen it many times over the years and my opinion of it was always high, but never really seen it as my number 1 film.

Then about ten years ago i decided this was the winner. Don't know why, don't care why, but it's a smashing film. Don't think my opinion of it will change much now.

'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly' and "For a Few Dollars More" have dropped into joint second place.

Regards,

The Dug

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I tried convincing everyone that they HAD to watch "Children of Men".

Most didn't. They just gave me a "hmmm" response for the most part... and missed out on a powerful masterpiece IMO.

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Love it then, love it now.

I'm not going to let a bunch of pretentious snobs make me question why I enjoy something.

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As much as I'd hate to admit it, I watched it because I'm a huge Guns N' Roses fan, and had to see what the quote in Civil War was all about. It turned out that I loved it - Luke is definitely a classic rebel.

I wouldn't expect any of my friends (I'm 20) to really get it, mostly from the fact that it's so old. Passed it on to a few friends though, and they really liked it.

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LOL!! And I thought I was the only one!! Guns N Roses being my most favourite band...got me to find out about the quote and I found Cool Hand Luke...Just watched it now...loved it.

What a film...

I am 21 years old now..and I loved it..dont think I will change my mind later! When I usually love a film...I dont change my mind!

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I think all the other posts brought up some great points.

I first saw the movie when I was about 9-10. My dad had a habit of making me sit down and watch old movies with him. Coming from a military family the thing I took away from the movie was to never quit. I learned that it really doesn't matter if you win or loose....but you never quit!

When I joined the military I went into a special operations unit. There were many times I wanted to quit but I would remember what I thought was the best scene in the film. Dragline was beating him senseless in the circle with everyone cheering knocking him down numerous times. Beaten and bloody Luke tells him "you're gonna have to kill me". Dragline finally walks away and Luke was still there...Luke won by his heart.

I've since seen the movie many times and I enjoy it just as much every time.

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"These were smart people who usually have pretty good taste."
apparently NOT !
This is a great film, being much deeper than most films today.
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