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I was more than a little surprised to see there's not much buzz around this movie. I know it's not a hugely popular western, but I really enjoyed it, a lot more than I thought I would. There's flaws with the indoor shooting that makes it look like a TV western but not enough to detract from the movie. Cast was good, especially all the leads, Taylor, Borgnine, Mills, Whitmore and Paluzzi, and the whole downer attitude of the movie was so anti-typical of westerns.

Anyone else a fan of the movie?

"Congratulations, Major. It appears that at last you have found yourself a real war." Ben Tyreen

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It's a great western. Completely underrated. As you pointed out it boasts some stunning performances from everybody involved. So far I've only seen Douglas' Rio Conchos and this one as far as westerns go, but he is starting to look like a master of the genre.

Anybody who liked this one should check out this great list:

Bertrand Tavernier's list of overlooked westerns:

http://www.imdb.com/list/yRC09RCOIZI/


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There were more posts a long time ago. IMDB wisely empties out very old posts so that a forum does not become cluttered with very old posts.

CHUKA is one of my favorites, despite its obvious minor shortcomings, which didn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie.

Being a fan of history, I'm always annoyed by Hollywood's insistence on using lever-action repeating Winchester rifles for U.S. cavalry and infantry. The U.S. Army turned down the excellent Winchester repeating rifle because it owned hundreds of thousands of Springfield and Enfield muzzle-loading muskets after the Civil War. Instead the army had many of those obsolete rifles re-manufactured into Allin trapdoor, single-shot, cartridge rifles. The Allin trapdoor was not the perfect solution but it worked reliably enough. The British did the same thing with their Enfields, opting for the American-designed Snider system.

There's no reason for Hollywood's oversight. Trapdoor surplus rifles were easily availabe in the early days of Hollywood, not today however.

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Atypical "Western" with spear on the side, that hurts !
Curiously, Rod Taylor always had luck with italian women in his films (Luciana Paluzzi,Catherine Spaak).

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I recall watching this a kid in the 70s and recall many of the scenes. )

Enjoyed the Rod Taylor vs. Ernst Borgnine confrontation at mess when the former demonstrated how quickly he could draw his revolver.

I found it odd as a kid to see the Cavalry lose. I knew about Custer but generally you never see the Cavalry lose the final battle.

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Of course the fictional Fort Clenendin is overrun on November 17 to 18, 1876, according to the narration at the beginning, and the Little Bighorn was on June 25-26, 1876.

Note the in the 19th century the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes were allies. About 1840 if I remember the Cheyenne and Arapaho divided into northern and southern groups. The northern Cheyenne & northern Arapaho became allies of the Teton Sioux tribes, forming what I call the northern plains hostile alliance, while the southern Cheyenne and southern Arapaho were first enemies of the Comanche, Kiowa, and Kiowa Apache, and later became their allies, forming what I call the southern plains hostile alliance.

Many of the northern Cheyenne fought with the Sioux at the Little Bighorn, but allegedly there were only five Arapaho warriors in the great Sioux camp at the Little Bighorn, who had been mistaken for Indian scouts at first and almost killed. It is said that one of those Arapahos then mistook Cheyenne chief Lame White Man for a scout at the Little Bighorn and killed and scalped him. With allies like that Arapaho, who needs enemies?

So in the fictional story of Chuka news of the Little Bighorn may have encouraged Hanu and the rest of the Arapaho to attack Fort Clenendin.

Actually the cavalry loses a lot more often, and more badly, in movies than in history. For example, Pillars of the Sky (1956) set in 1868, is based on a real army defeat in 1858, but vastly exaggerates the casualties. Fort Apache (1948) and The Glory Guys (1965) have fictional disasters based on the little Bighorn. And so on.

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Saw this movie again
I had forgotten about it
Love it. Love the characters
Great fistfight

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