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5.1 average IMDB user rating?!


January 1st, 2010. Is this real? 5,1 average user rating? F.e. "Independence Day" has 6.5 as of today and was one of the biggest box-office-hits ever? Can this be true?
"Casino Royale" is, IMHO, a brilliant, wonderfully chaotic, liberal, mind-freeing & typical late 60ies/early 70ies movies with an outstanding (!) cast. It is brilliantly mocking and praising the 007-series at the same time.
Niven as a chaste Anti-007-image is hilarious. Andress is the Ultra-Attractive Bond-girl. No, WOMAN. Allen is the Uber-Incompetent-Antagonist. And, and, and.
How can you not like this movie, I don't get it.
I sincerely wish I'd have lived those days.
Further recommendations:
"What's new Pussycat?"
The first 5 "Pink Panther" flics
"The Graduate"
"Harold and Maude"

open your mind & n-joy

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Yeah, that does bother me as this film was nothing short of brilliant, a good adaption of the book in the midst of a very zaney satire which in my oppionion get better each subsequent viewing. Despite what people say the film makes sense, you have to watch it a half dozen times, but it does make sense.

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Yeah ! And to think that that piece of filth
"Austin Powers..." rates higher !

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Yeah, that does bother me as this film was nothing short of brilliant, a good adaption of the book in the midst of a very zaney satire which in my oppionion get better each subsequent viewing.
Are you serious?

The film only has vague and infrequent connections to the book it is based on, and all those plot points revolve around the Baccarat game at Casino Royale, and Vesper's betrayal. Beyond that, everything is extraneous and does not resemble the plot in the slightest.

Furthermore, I contest the use of "satire," it may apply accurately to a dictionary entry of the word, but there was nothing smart about the way that the material was handled, and the story is far too scattered to make any kind of intelligent satire of the material it was "supposed" to be satirizing. It's simply a "spoof" and a bad one at that.

Despite what people say the film makes sense, you have to watch it a half dozen times, but it does make sense.
At the very least, all films need to make sense on a very basic level. There are plenty of films that require further review to understand a joke, or to catch plot points that were missed the first time around. Casino Royale is not one of them, there is almost no cohesive narrative to follow.

This was 5 "James Bond" vignettes which had little to do with each other strung together, poorly at best, horrendous at worst.


5.1 is an extremely generous rating, especially since I generally list it in the 25 worst films I've ever seen.

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I kind of like the state-of-the-art psychedelic pop culture madness and how allover the place & vaguely strung together it all is, but the problem remains, it just isnĀ“t funny. Only very, very silly in a heavy handed way. An interesting, mesmerizing-looking experiment gone bad.


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It was probably because Peter Sellers was fired from the movie before it was completed.

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That would explain why the ending is a disaster.

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Casino Royale is to me a brilliant joke, unlike any other film I have ever seen. I liken it to a dry joke that not everyone will get, but just because not everyone gets it doesn't make it any less funny or genius. Although the humour often seems quite basic and silly, if you look at the film as a whole you will see the bigger picture. Having looked into the making of the film I see it as more of an beautiful accident than a film that is put together that is peiced together beautifully, but this is just part of its appeal.
The lack of a flowing storyline is one of the best things about this film, it sets it aside from everything else. It could be likened to some of the Beatles song that were made from merging together a verse by Paul and a chorus by John, such as A day in the life. Despite the obvious absurdity of these songs they are still great songs. And Casino Royale is a definetly a great film, maybe not appreciated by all, but those who are fortunate enough to see beyond the messy storyline are very lucky indeed.

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I'm glad someone else sees it

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Try reading this for some food for thought:

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/28/casinoroyale1.html

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"...all films need to make sense on a very basic level." I would contest that opinion, some films are fun to watch (read: entertaining) and even attempting to analyze them just diminishes the experience. For the record, I personally enjoy watching this film but would not try to defend it on its technical merits. Try to think of it as a cinematic time capsule and perhaps it will make it off your "...25 worst films I've ever seen." list.

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it has its merits.



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I really tried to like this film. It does have a lot of my favorite actors. And it does have it's moments.

But it's just too random at times. Sometimes it's funny but most of the time it just makes me scratch my head. I get why the movie is like that though. Peter Sellers wasn't around anymore. But it was cool to see David Niven play Bond.

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good points.


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IAre you serious?

The film only has vague and infrequent connections to the book it is based on, and all those plot points revolve around the Baccarat game at Casino Royale, and Vesper's betrayal. Beyond that, everything is extraneous and does not resemble the plot in the slightest.

Furthermore, I contest the use of "satire," it may apply accurately to a dictionary entry of the word, but there was nothing smart about the way that the material was handled, and the story is far too scattered to make any kind of intelligent satire of the material it was "supposed" to be satirizing. It's simply a "spoof" and a bad one at that


The whole section about Evelyn Tremble was pretty much the important parts of the book, Welles was a far more enjoyable
Le Chiffre and Andress as Vesper Lynd still cracks me up. The movies brilliants lies in its lack of direction... the first time watching it really is impossible to see where its going. I see how you feel about movies so theres no real point going on as we fundamentally disagree on this point

At the very least, all films need to make sense on a very basic level. There are plenty of films that require further review to understand a joke, or to catch plot points that were missed the first time around. Casino Royale is not one of them, there is almost no cohesive narrative to follow.


I disagree and know of quite a few filmmakers who feel likewise. Part of the fun of this movie is it shows sillier side to Bond.

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This piece of shit is a travesty of the novel. Period. *mike drops*

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shut up

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hey - impressive arguments. you've got a university degree, right? <irony mode off>

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I agree 5.1 is disgraceful. Anything over 1.5 is outrageous.

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Just watched it and must say it is really one of the worst movies I have long long. Before I put it in the player, so I showed well it had nothing to do with the other Bond films.
But must give it credit, after which it has virtually everything, ranging from Woody Allen, Frankenstein, a monkey, soap bubbles, cowboys and Indians, and much more:)

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Caught this the other night on TCM. Robert Osborne gave the background. CBS bought the rights early on to make a live TV show of it. Later it was bought to make a movie. By the time they got around to making this, the Broccoli Bond movies had started to come out, Casino Royale being the only title not sold with the rest of the franchise. The makers of CR decided to take things in a different direction. Hence the farce and a storyline that was only "suggested" by the book. It was fun seeing all these icons from the era in one movie. And the first part of it showed promise. But it went downhill from there. The last 30 minutes or so was agonizing. For trying to do "Madcap", quantity does not trump quality. I went into this expecting to enjoy it. Instead, it goes on my list of great disappointments.

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The REAL story is much more interesting.

Producer/director/actor Gregory Ratoff (Max Fabian from All About Eve) was involved in some scam that required him to smuggle 10,000 pounds (not sure what it was in American dollars) out of Egypt. He sewed the money into the lining of his jacket, and made a "deal with God". He promised to use the money to back a film version of the first book he saw a review of.

When he got home he picked up Time Magazine and saw the review of the book Casino Royale. He bought the film rights (with CBS buying the television rights) and hired Lorenzo Semple Jr to write the script. Ratoff's idea was to turn Bond into a woman! He had Susan Hayward in mind!

Of course, this didn't pan out. Ratoff died in 1960 leaving his wife in debt. Charles Feldman was one of his creditors, so he accepted the rights to Casino Royale as payment, and made this movie that everyone hates.

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5.1? This movie is utterly stupid. No higher than 1!

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Usually folks vote for a film they like or dislike. It usually has nothing to do with whether or not a film is good or bad. I also think some just vote to boost a rating of a particular film.

"Self-sacrifice is the real miracle out of which all reported miracles grow"
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

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"Casino Royale" is an interesting movie... but I wouldn't call it a classic (8+).

I voted 6, TBH...



But what really shocks me is that "Independence Day" manages to retain anything over "3"...

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^ Agree with you 100%

Bazinga

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I voted 6/10 as well. I've never seen "Independence Day," and I have no desire to.

"Casino Royale" has some spectacular art direction, yet beyond the visuals, I found it a bit flat and plodding. I can't say I'm a big fan of the spy genre or its spoofs, so I'm hardly the target audience for this. I was mildly entertained but relieved when it was over.

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A movie doesn't have to be a great story, great cinematography or any of whatever terms you might consider while judging a movie.

The one and only thing that matters, is if people liked the experience of watching it. Don't confuse that with analytical review.

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Good set design, music and cast. But unfortunately, they were a waste of talent. Still it's miles ahead of Independence Day, which is a disgrace to normal human beings.

"What If" is a game for scholars.
Timothy Dalton, The Lion in Winter (1968)

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It would be good if it stuck with the zany psychedelic stuff, and kept all the Woody Allen scenes but unfortunately the first hour, in which David Niven as a stuttering Bond faffs about on a Scottish Highland estate with Deborah Kerr is just awful and an affront to any Bond fan; it's terminally unfunny and repetitive and somehow old fashioned. Some of the later stuff works in that if you throw enough mud at the wall it will stick, but that's in the latter part of the movie.

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I loved it. I'm a Deborah Kerr fan so quite biased and thought she was hilarious. From the moment she appeared I was hooked. If you liked Casino Royale I recommend Bedazzled. I think there's a similar humour at play. Also Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (Russ Meyer). Maybe Batman (1966) though it's not dark. I've heard the Magic Christian is worth a look too but not so sure. I'd agree with recommending Harold & Maude, though that is comparatively mellow and a different register altogether. Much more subtle.

Also just to note the film clearly states early on that it is a direct attack on the gadget- and sex-heavy version of Bond and how far that differed from Ian Fleming's original conception. It seems to me that makes it a satire of the Thunderball/Goldfinger Bond rather than merely a madcap spoof. Some posters seem to be in denial of this.

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To be fair, the film accurately forsees the way the Bond films would turn out in terms of sheer excess. Remember that You Only Live Twice hadn't been released when this was being filmed, but it seems to anticipate a lot of it. Though I suppose Thunderball had a fair bit of overkill and silliness for much of it, admittedly, especially in the final underwater free for all. The official series seemed to borrow a few things from this CR - two women bodyguards accosting or welcoming Bond, is very Bambi and Thumper from DAF. The machine gunning bagpipes was used briefly in The World is Not Enough. Just little things that pop up from time to time.

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g-moff,
I would be delighted to proffer a reason why Casino Royale was not highly regarded. Let me speak from my point of view, at the time in 1967 when i was eleven years old. The movie Goldfinger may have been the greatest movie that I had ever seen. I was able to persuade my mother into giving me the 75 cents to see the newest James bond feature. Never mind that this was a spoof, I was a child who saw the name James Bond and that's all I cared about. The theme song was exceptional, and then David Niven replaces Sean Connery as 007. I was crushed! The movie was awful from the standpoint of an 11 year old.
Today, I still am amazed at the ensemble cast. I watched the movie several years ago (probably on TNT) and it still lacked the punch I was hoping it would deliver.
I'm going to give it another whirl soon.
I hope that perhaps rationalizes why some folks harbor contempt for this movie.

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