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Vanessa Redgrave the better Guenevere? I should say so!


Just read, "The Once and Future King", you know, the book the film and play were based off of, and you'll find Redgrave's Guenevere is dead on. Andrew's Guenevere was nothing like the book.

Now is Andrews a better singer than Redgrave? Yes.

Did Redgrave do a better job by bringing life to the songs? You bet!

Does Redgrave have a good singing voice? You know it.

Could Andrews have sung Redgrave into a corner and left her there? Yes.

Redgrave might not have been a musical great, but she at least is a great actress.

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Agree. Also, if Andrews was given the role, harris wouldn't have persisted for the months he needed to too have a chance at getting the part because he found her so unpleasent in the 'hawaii' filming. And we couldnt have that!

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Redgrave was a fine choice for CAMELOT as it was made by Josh Logan.

He (Logan) is now best remembered for mis-casting all his musical films. He butchered every musical he filmed.

SOUTH PACIFIC, though it had a few good sequences is remembered mostly for the miscasting of the leads and the ludicrous use of color filters.

PAINT YOUR WAGON was a notorious bomb even though it employed such well known musical stars as Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood (at least to Logans` mind).

CAMELOT lost all the magic it had on stage in it`s transference to the screen (thanks again to Logan and Richard Harris dinner theatre interpretaion of the role).

So, yes, I would say-based on Logans` record as a musical film destroyer-that Vanessa Redgrave was a perfect choice for his filmed debacle of a historic broadway show.

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I agree with you completely, mit800. The point most seem to be missing is that Camelot as a musical had its main strength in its music and the book (for the musical) was always a mess. Vanessa is indisputably a fine actress, but a singer she's most assuredly not. I always thought Vanessa should have done Hawaii instead, and if Julie had done Camelot, Richard Burton, a far more charismatic actor and bigger draw than Harris, would have done it too and it would have been a lighter, brighter movie with the emphasis on the score where it belonged. Vanessa could have done a fine dramatic version of the story and that would been far more satisfying. Jack Warner always blamed the film's failure on Logan's choice of leads. At least we can give Jack the credit he learned something when he passed up Julie for My Fair Lady. Someday perhaps they can try this one again. I've also hoped that someday someone will do good adaptions of other musicals which were given short shrifts for various reasons -- Carousel and Brigadoon in particular.

As for South Pacific, I always hated it. What a shame they didn't cast Doris Day. It was a perfect role for her. The filters are stupid, but that wouldn't have made any difference if there had been a stronger leading lady.

I always kind of liked Paint Your Wagon, though. The singing of the leads leaves a lot to be desired, true, though Jean Seberg is an example of someone who was well dubbed, and the Andre Previn arrangements do as much with the score as one could hope. I saw it in 70mm on a Cinerama screen and it was really quite spectacular to behold.

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I've never seen the stage production but after watching the movie, I'd have to agree that the score makes the show.

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I was glad too that Audrey got the film of MY FAIR LADY so Julie could go on to other things AND win the oscar for MARY POPPINS over Audreys interpretation of Eliza Doolittle.

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I'm not saying a word...besides Redgarve's performance was just like the book, which it was based off of.

Also, has anyone seen Picnic on this thread? It's most likely Logan's best work.

As a side note, Angela Lansbury called Logan in an interview, "A great musical director." I had to chuckle at that.

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I did enjoy Picnic, especially Rosalind Russell. Logan seemed to be better at filming dramas or comdies. I think Lansbury must have been talking about Logans` Broadway musicals, which were generally praised. He had no idea how to make film musicals.

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Agree with all. Russell should have won an Oscar for that film! I believe she was. It's just with all this talk, one has to laugh.

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Rusell wasn't nominated though Columbia Pictures was set to launch a campaign for her in the supporting category. She told the studio to stop. She didn't want to be put in that category. She said she wasn't about to demote herself just to win an Oscar.

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She did do a great job with the role. What wasn't so great was whoever was in charge of the makeup. Redgrave and all the other women looked so "late-1960s" with the hair and makeup, and it is really distracting, imo.

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Redgrave makes the movie for me.

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