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Manoel de Oliveira plans to direct a sequel


The name of this new film is Belle Toujours. This news has only recently been broken in the form of a statement by Oliveira while in Barcelona to receive an official honor. Evidently, he did offer Deneuve the role but she turned it down, which is interesting given the fact that she's had a good working relationship with Oliveira since they made O Convento in 95. The role has gone to Bulle Ogier instead. This will be fascinating as much of Oliveira's own recent work has been compared to late Bunuel. We'll see if he plays that angle up and what approach he chooses to take to the material. As he has produced a film a year for the last fifteen years and many of his works premiere at the Venice Film Festival, my guess is we'll probably see Belle Toujours premiere in Venice, September of next year.

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I find this terrible news! Obviously I'm first and foremost against any sequel to this movie - but de Oliveira, of all people?!

His movies are so cryptically boring and lifeless, completely unfathomable and obscure. Buñel's Belle de Jour, however, is sparking with life and action - I just can't imagine de Oliveira ever coming up with such a fascinating character like Marcel, for instance.

These are really depressing news...

Tu sei la prima donna del primo giorno della creazione.

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I don't know who this Oliveira is but the sequel will never be anything close to Belle de jour. And I'm not so enthusiastic about it... I heard that there is even a remake, probably a hoolywood remake, which I did not see, but even if I had the chance I would probably not be able to stand it more than 5 minutes...why remake something that is already perfect? what makes these people think they can do better then Louis Bunuel?

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I guess Oliveira should be easy to look up in this database. Interesting fact is his age (96 og 97 years old).

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Well, de Oliveira certainly has reputation: he's been nominated multiple times for Cannes awards and other European film festivals - he's virtually unknown in the USA.

He's a Portuguese filmmaker, famous for being the oldest director still working. I'm Portuguese, I have seen his movies, and I detest his work! His movies are boring, lifeless, his characterisation sickens me, and he can't do dialogue - basically he's terrible at everything Buñuel is great at!

I just shudder imagining this man directing a sequel to this beautiful movie.


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Well, as a big Oliveira fan I would, of course, have to disagree with you on his merits. Still, I can understand your point of view. I can understand anyone being defensive of this great film or any great film. There's no need to be though. I always like to cite the example of Peter Hyams' 2010. Hyams is a competent action director and his "sequel" is what you would expect from him. Memorable only at moments and standard and forgettable otherwise. I don't remember what kind of furor the announcement of a sequel to 2001 made back in 1983 but I would imagine considerably more than the announcement we're discussing. Hyams is seen by many as a hack (though this is extreme and unfair) and I'm sure the prospect of his continuation of Kubrick's mythology was not received well. And, of course, the Hyams film is lame in comparison to the original but ultimately, so what? It probably has its admirers amongst action fans who would never watch the original and that's fine. On a similar note I have a dear friend who detests the Lord of the Rings films as compared especially to the source material. Once again, though, the one does not affect the other. In fact, the sequel or adaptation or remake of a classic work is always going to be the one that has to face the prospect of being excoriated, not the original.

At any rate, Oliveira is no Hyams and though I certainly consider him a genius on level with Bunuel I will admit he is not to all tastes and in my opinion has more in common with Bresson than Bunuel. His film will reflect his attitudes toward this material and that likely will strike many different notes, playing to his strengths. It is true that he is not interested in charcter as reflected in the particulars of personality but that is just one difference of many. However, in an earlier post, Eumenides, you suggested that Oliveira's work was cryptic and unfathomable. You do realize that this is how many see Bunuel?

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Well his I find his work incredibly flat and uninspired, though if you think of his films 'bit by bit' they aren't bad, it's almost a matter of the patience required to watch them because they're incredibly boring (to me at least). Anyway, it seems Oliveira is hoping to release his films at this year's Venice Film Festival.

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It's gonna premiere at Venice Festival - Out of Competition

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Belle Toujours is honestly one of the worst wastes of film.

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Gets a 6.4 on IMDb, so there must be much worse.

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yah i wrote "one of the worst"

jus sayin'

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It's better than all of the 6.3s, the 6.2s, the 6.1s, the 6.0s, all the 5s, all the 4s, all the 3s, all the 2s, all the 1s and all the 0s. That must be quite a lot.

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have you seen the film?
if not go watch it, and then come back to troll some more.

; )

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Presenting evidence to the contrary is not what trolling is.

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What a wonderful and beautifully-shot film!

If you have lived a little and ever thought about what it would be like to revisit past relationships from long ago and find out things you've been wondering about for decades, this is a film to see, the one to really give you an idea of what it might be like.

I loved the way everything looked where they set the dinner.

I loved too that after Severine makes her exit there is an incongruous rooster at the door. He, the old man, is just like that rooster. Still pecking around, reliving his former glories, even though he's far out of his element and well past it.

But remember, the rooster is also the national animal of France and can stand here for it. Like the old man, it's trying to relive its past glories and still sometimes meddling about in foreign affairs in places like the Middle East as if it still had its old swagger, even though that's long gone. Still holding a seat on the UN Security Council for reasons no one can fathom anymore.

So it's double story and well brought off.

8/10

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