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'The Invaders' flying saucer FX


Does anyone know of or have access to "behind-the-scenes" photos showing the FX department working with the flying saucer? The "miniature" used in the TV-series was a 4-foot mockup. (However, Alan Armer, one of the series' producers, stated during the DVD commentary that the original size of the saucer was to be between 12-15 feet, but they later reduced its size to 4 feet.) That information, as well as other tidbits and pictures about the 4-foot mockup (and the plastic model available for purchase), is listed in a web site at <http://home.earthlink.net~peredhil/_PAGE2/Page2.html>; .

Furthermore, that same web site stated that no legs existed for the studio model. Instead there were lines drawn on the bottom of the craft, where the legs would be, to make it look as though they were retracted. The scenes of the landed saucer in the series were always a combination of the saucer model, the real full size legs (with ladders), and the bottom base (with entrance hatch). Also, the real leg base had a periscope type device that came out of the bottom. Volmer Jensen may have been the modelmaker for The Invaders saucer, along with Mel Keys and possibly Vern Sion.

The TV-series identified Ira Anderson and the Darrell A. Anderson Company as the ones who did the special effects. The series was filmed at the Samuel Goldwyn Studio.

I believe they probably used a "green screen" effect as the saucer itself was a blue color. They probably used wires in an aerial brace to "fly" the saucer, and/or used the camera to get up close shots and long distance shots for indicating saucer approaches and departures (i.e., "go-motion"). (In the episode "The Peacemaker" , a wire can be seen in front of the saucer in flight.) In all probability the FX department used mattes of the 4-foot mockup to overlay the full-size landing legs "props". Scenes of crashed saucers were probably glass paintings and their vaporization by the aliens' ray guns was probably animation. Any photos or web sites showing the FX would be greatly appreciated.

An Internet article titled "The Invaders: The Nightmare Has Already Begun" , by Stephen Bowie (at <http://classictvhistory.com/EpisodeGuides/invaders.html>;), page 13 relates that John Elizalde built the flying saucer mock-up miniature. Furthermore, John Elizalde referenced that "...Only the pentagonal base of the spaceship, with its triangular legs, was a live prop; the saucer part of the vessel was matted in later under the supervision of visual effects man Darrell A. Anderson".

One thing that especially worked extremely well was the way the FX showed the saucers' speed, zipping up and down, and hovering! Beautiful effect!

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One thing I've never understood about this series. The saucer fx were okay for the time, but they were not as good as the flying scenes with the Flying Sub in VTTBOTS or the Jupiter 2 & Space Pod in LIS. Any idea why?
BTW, they didn't have green screen back when this was made. It was more likely an old process called "chroma key".

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According to Alan Armer (producer), the saucer was not ever supposed to be seen in the entire series, except for the opening scene. However, Quinn Martin and the others overruled that decision. They probably didn't want to spend the extra money for elaborate effects. Except for the landing legs (the real prop), the saucer was a matted effect and as such wasn't as "real" as the models seen in the series "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and "Lost in Space" . Irwin Allen (producer) used actual miniature models (under six feet in length) which "flew" using wires and an aerial brace; I don't believe that he used any matte effects. I remember seeing a TV special about Irwin Allen narrated by Bill Mumy, and behind-the-scenes clips were shown of the Jupiter 2 spaceship and the Space Pod where wires could be seen. These clips were not broadcast in the series because the models' flights were not properly controlled and "crashed" into the set, and the wires were not hidden. My personal opinion is that the special effects showing the flying saucer of "The Invaders" was far superior than that of the other shows mentioned. Watch the episode "Panic" and the saucer FX of its stationary position, hovering, and then zipping out of sight at light speed is exactly what viewers would expect an alien spacecraft to do!

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According to an old magazine article I have, the SFX were largely done by a British company who also did many of the more more exotic effects for Star Trek such as "The Corbomite Manouever". If you have read about Star Trek the reason why the USS Enterprise was an orbiting vehicle was that it was simply too difficult and expensive to make a spaceship convincingly land.By the same token , in "The War Of The Worlds" (1953) the Martian War Machines were shown as hovering craft instead of Tripods - a Tripod was too difficult to animate.

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Hi, what's the name of the magazine, its date, number/volume, title of the article as well as the article's author? Does it show any "behind- the-scenes" photos of the flying saucer?

I'd like to read any info concerning the FX of "The Invaders" . Everything I read was that the FX were as I stated above.

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It's mentioned in Starlog Magazine #16 for September 1978 - it has an article, episode guide and brief interview with Larry Cohen.The SFX company was Howard Anderson.
I also have "Space Voyager" mag for June/July 1985 which has a 3 page article with good photos and Starburst magazine (1984) has a one page article and season 2 episode guide.

Sadly no behind the scenes saucer shots though Space Voyager has a shot from Beachead showing Roy and Diane Baker together in the power station.

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The reason the flying vehicles looked so good in the Irwin Allen shows was due to the miniature work of a guy named Howard Lydecker. Check out his imdb page at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0527964/

Lydecker eschewed traveling mattes (as seen in "The Invaders") due to the ragged edges that became visible when the color of the backing screen (normally blue in those days) would reflect on the sides of the miniature, causing the background to bleed through. Lydecker used a technique that would seamlessly combine foreground miniatures with live-action backgrounds. His work is unsurpassed, even in this era of CGI.

BTW, it's my understanding that "chroma key" was in use only on video productions (although it could be transferred to film in a final step, as they did in David McCallum's "Invisible Man" TV series). It was a relatively cheap process. Color films primarily used traveling mattes generated by blue screens, green screens or sodium screens.

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Thanks so much for the info, wallerworld. Mr. Lydecker has a loyal fan in me. You are quite correct, IMHO, in that no sci-fi vehicle effects today are a match to his work. (with the possible exception of the dropship landing sequence in "Aliens"; it was very good) I'll never forget the first time I saw the "Lost In Space" episodes "The Derelict" and "Island In The Sky". The former featured an absolutely incredible sequence with the Jupiter 2 entering the landing bay of the huge old spacecraft. She hovers a few seconds, then her landing gear deploys and she sets down. I think you'll agree, even in black & white, it is outstanding even by today's standards. The latter episode featured the Jupiter 2's first ever crash landing. The model work combined with the sound effect of her engines echoing through the mountains she is coming in over blew this 6 year old kid away and remain among my all time favorite sci-fi vehicle scenes to this day. I was reminded of it when we saw the saucer section of the Enterprise crash in "Star Trek: Generations", but it was still not as letter-perfect as Lydecker's work. At one point J2 passes by a large Washington Monument-like peak and it looks so real. I was like "Wow, do they have a real spaceship they film with?". My dad assured me it was just a model. Then, a few years later, we were introduced to the lovely Flying Sub in "Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea"'s second season. (Correct me if I'm wrong about that; it may have been third season) Again, I was mesmerized. The flying sequences were, of course, outstanding again. But the scenes where she is leaving the water or diving back in were just not to be believed.
For me, the CGI work of today just doesn't have the same feel because I know they are not using real models. I keep hoping some nostalgic individuals will re-visit using real models for a film sort of like the producers did with marionettes in "World Police".
Thanks also for straightening me out about chroma-key. I know they used it in the old "Dark Shadows" which is pretty impressive, IMHO, for a soap opera.

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Don't know if you've ever seen it but the Gerry Anderson show "UFO" had great saucer scenes and SFX. I remember one episode where a couple of fishermen are in their boat and can see a light in the water below (UFO's are submersible) then it suddenly takes off out of the water and is attacked by a SHADO craft launched from a sub.The sound the UFO's made was unforgettable.

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Ah, yes, Erik. A life-long Gerry Anderson fan here. I'll never forget the first time I saw "Thunderbirds". I've only seen a few episodes of "UFO" and never saw the sequence you cited, but I have no doubt it was spectacular. The sub was called "Sky Diver" and the fighter it launched was "Sky-1", btw. I only know this because I had a collection of Konami Anderson ships.

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That's the one! Just found this clip on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE-aBcfs854

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There is now a book listed on amazon.com titled The Legendary Lydecker Brothers , authored by Jan Alan Henderson. It was supposedly released in 2010 and costs $24.95.

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you are forgetting LB Abbott, who kind of replaced Lydecker at FOX

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LB Abbott of FOX was a genius when it came to effects. He was the FOX residential effects man and did many films and tv series. He built a 20 foot detailed Seaview; a 6 foot Jupiter 2 etc.

It doesn't sound like THE INVADERS had a dedicated model?

also, did green screen exist back then?

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