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Any info on the REAL Trouble With Angels (Jane Trahey)?


The Trouble With Angels is, by far, my all-time favorite movie! I can fondly recall hearing about it way back in 7th grade, when my nun-teacher talked of the book, "Life With Mother Superior" and the TTWA movie playing at our local Cleveland area movie theaters. I raced to our local library, read the book cover to cover, and really enjoyed its humor almost as much as I did the movie!

Interesting questions to ponder: the book "Life With Mother Superior," written by Jane Trahey, whose TTWA character ("Rachel Devery") was played by June Harding in the movie was really Jane Trahey's 'early' biography... does anybody know *where* the *real* "St. Mark's" Academy was located? I've seen references to Jane on the Internet that she attended "Providence Academy" - just wondered where that institution is and where it is located? (TTWA's "St. Francis Academy" was only a screen name.) And anyone know the name of the religious order of nuns that the *real* Mary Clancy joined after graduating from "St. Mark's"? I know Jane attended (no longer in existence) Mundelein College outside of Chicago, but sad to say, died a few years ago in Connecticut from cancer after being hugely successful in the advertising field. I often times wonder what happened to the *real* Mary Clancy - did she stay in the convent? where is she now? Too bad Jane is no longer around to ask...

Anyone??

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You know, I have the book and never read it, but I guess I should. Unfortunately, the only person who may have some info would be the late Ida Lupino. I don't know how much she knew about the book but I'm sure she had a lot of info if she was willing to make a movie out of the story and put her name on it.

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Hi Divmercy1,


I might be the only person left who owns a signed first edition of Jane's book, not the re-release titled the same as the movie, but the original, "Life with Mother Superior." I love it and often wonder why they didn't follow the actual story more in the movie, it certainly would have been just as funny, maybe a little less "Disney-esque," which in my eyes is always a good thing- only Disney ought to ever try doing Disney. (Don't misunderstand me, though, "Trouble with Angels" is still, and I suspect always will be, my favorite movie, not film, perhaps, but definitely movie.) For some reason, a lot of people seem to think that "LWMS" was Trahey's only book, but she did some wonderful feminist work, too, writing some 16-odd books concerning women in the business world, back when being a feminist wasn't branded as being unbecoming. (If there was ever one person I could travel back in time and convince oh his parents not to have children, it would be Rush Limbaugh, for popularizing the word "feminazi.") If you haven't read it, her "Jane Trahey, On Women and Power" is excellent as, no matter what her topic, that wonderful sense of humor always came through.

Anyway, to answer your question about the "real" Mary Clancy, she never actually existed, and yet she did, too. While the character of Rachel may have represented the actual flesh & blood Jane Trahey, Mary Clancy was actually her spiritual alter-ego, the person she would have been had she followed that same pull she wrote about which drew MC into the fold. The two characters were, in fact, the yin & yang qualities of the same woman.

On the question of "Providence Academy" and its real name, well, about all I can remember is that it is located somewhere just outside of Chicago. If you really want to know, it ought not take much of an internet search to turn up a list of all the Catholic prep-schools for girls that were active in that area at that time. Even if the school is co-ed now, which, considering that the trend in the 60s and 70s was definitely to move in that direction, you should be able to search the "history" section of the various school websites to locate the appropriate answer. I do know that there was a girl's school called Providence (run by the Sisters of Providence) which joined together with St. Mel (run by the Christian Brothers) to become what is today's very popular Providence/St. Mel High School. But whether this is the Providence of which you now seek, I'd only be guessing. It would certainly be the first lead I'd follow, though, as it might well prove to be the only Providence in that area old enough to have been active at the same time Jane was in school.

I hope any or all of this helps you in some small way!


Take good care,

Linda T.

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Just based upon the movie (not haveing read the book, but after reading these posts I'm going to do an Alibris search) I would say it seems pretty much like Mundelien. The old Providence in Chicago was not a residential school so it's not likely to be the source.But this is a great thread; I was beginning to lose faith in the intelligence of IMDB posters.

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The "real St. Mark's" is located in Canada, and is a home for children. I have an online friend who sent me photographs of it, and he visited it and volunteered his vacations there for several years.

I LOVE this film! It is definitely on my TOP THREE list.

If you love it, you might also love My Father's Glory, Gloire du Mon Pere. It is absolutely the most charming movie ever!

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Jane Trahey and Mary did go to Providence, I have that from the real "Mary" (Sr. John Eudes) herself. Only Jane went to Mundelein, although some incidents in the book, such as the graduation chapter and the fight with the Bishop were based on her college years. Most of the book was based on Jane and Mary's experiences at Providence. St. Mark's was a fictional creation, as were some other things in the book and consequently the movie.

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No, actually there was a "Mary". She became Sister John Eudes after she entered the order. She was Jane Trahey's friend when the were in high school at Providence-St Mel's, which is located in the city of Chicago. I used to correspond with her for awhile, and I have a Q&A I did with her on the Trouble With Angels.

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I actually used to correspond with the "real" Mary Clancy, Sister John Eudes. They didn't actually go to St. Marks, they went to Providence-St Mel's high school here in Chicago. This was actually a day school, not a boarding school. "Mary" did still in the convent, when I last talked to her (around 2002) she was living at the Motherhouse for the Dominican order.

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Piccoloangel - thanks for sharing! Do you have any information on Sr. John Eudes' Dominican motherhouse (location - city/state info?) you may want to share? I'd love to write her a letter. (I know there are a good number of branches/motherhouses of the Dominican order in the U.S.) Any leads would be helpful. As one who has reaped the benefit of a good solid Catholic education by some great nuns, it would be a joy for me to write to her.
Thank you! :)

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Another one for Piccoloangel - can you post the Q & A about The Trouble With Angels? Thanks.

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This is very interesting! I'm reading "Life With Mother Superior" right now! I can see the bits and pieces that were put into the movie. I'm kind of surprised that the book isn't as good as the movie, it's usually the other way arouond. Not that the book is bad, but in the movie you can see that glorious setting, the storyline has more depth, and of course it has Miss Hayley Mills...

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What a nice thread this is!

I read the book before the film came to our town, and I did not retain the author's name. When I read some of her other books so many years later, I never realized this was her story. Thanks, all who have contributed to this thread. This is also one of my favorite films, and I'll note my whole family enjoyed it together at the theater. Although there are no Catholics in my family, I have found the continuity of religious orders very interesting and can certainly understand the depth of devotion and the serious commitment among the members. When Mary's decision was announced, I really felt Rachel's pain as sort of an outsider.

Movies...I love movies, almost everything but the torture/porn crap that has way too many renderings. It would be nice to see more movies where the kids are not all sarcastic, where the adults are not antagonists against the kids, and where funny scenes are not based on sex, drugs, or booze. I'm not a prude, but most of the "real life" people I know are not at all like the typical families in films. Not all conflict in a story has to be based on extreme situations or bizarre characters.

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My husband's aunt is Sister John Eudes. She is located at St. Dominic Villa 2375 Sinsinawa rd, Hazel Green, Wi 53811. She has always been quite a character. We don't get to see her so much, since she is elderly and not up to traveling any more.

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