The best cast?


Ok this film may not be on par with the 1945 classic but to me it has some inspired casting better than the original film if i may be so bold.
Wilfrid Hyde-White is cast to perfection as the Judge and when reading the book its him i visualize, as is the case with Stanley Holloway as Blore he matches the character in the book to a tee. Dennis Price is also the perfect Dr Armstrong and Hugh O'Brian although American capture's Lombard wonderfully, cool arrogant and brave. On the minus side Fabian was obviously cast to appeal to the youth market at the time as was the case with Daliah Lavi sustituting the Brent character for the more glamorous movie star. Leo Genn makes a great General also although not to the book as he was went quite barmy and Shirley Eaton is one fine piece of ass in this film. Wow she was a looker in the 60's.
The servants were better in the original by far but on the whole i think this film has a better cast anyone agree?

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While I don't as a film rate this higher than the 1945 version it does benefit from some good casting in the key roles. Shirley Eaton is a million times more appealing than June Duprez in the original. And I also think Wilfrid Hyde-White manages to even surpass Barry Fitzgerald which is quite a trick. Other casting is less effective owing to the changed nature of the roles. Daliah Lavi, while gorgeous to look at, is simply not a good actress and this is more important than the mere fact that the character's been altered from the Emily Brent original (a sexy movie actress does I admit fit better the swinging mid-60s aura the film takes place in). Mario Adorf is too over the top as "Grohman" and Fabian's bit part is rather embarrassing. Mischa Auer in the original was playing a type of character he already had experience playing in other films, but Fabian didn't have that kind of background to fall back on.

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Unfortunately I haven't seen the 1945 version yet. Eric, you're absolutely right Mario Adorf was over the top, Daliah Lavi not a good actress and Fabian rather embarrasing. Marianne Hoppe as Mrs. Grohman was absolutely horrid - what terrible overacting. The others were quite good, although I prefer Richard Attenborough (1974 version) as the judge.

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In original alphabetical order:

Dr Armstrong: Walter Huston by a mile. Dennis Price is too petulant, Herbert Lom too drab, and Yehuda Efroni too over-the-top. Huston's is the closest to the original character.

Blore: Stanley Holloway, but Warren Berlinger is a close second.

Miss Brent: Call me crazy; I like Brenda Vaccaro best.

Vera/Ann: Sarah Maur Thorp is the best by a long shot. Of the four, she and Shirley Eaton best portray the increasing emotional strain the character is under from the start to the finish.

Lombard: Hugh O'Brian is the best of a bad lot. None of them are really very good.

General M: C. Aubrey Smith in the original.

Marston - I give this one to Fabian.

Mrs. Rogers - Queenie Leonard in the original, but only because she's the only one correctly written.

Rogers - I actually like Alberto de Mendoza the best.

Judge - by a nose, Wilfrid Hyde-White. Donald Pleasance is actually quite good in his version.

So:

Original - 3
60s - 4
70s - 1
80s - 2

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Dr Armstrong: Walter Huston by a mile. Dennis Price is too petulant, Herbert Lom too drab, and Yehuda Efroni too over-the-top. Huston's is the closest to the original character.

I agree with you. I thought Lom nailed the professional aspect of Armstrong, but he was an unconvincing drunk. Efroni got the frayed nerves of the character, but I wouldn't let him operate on me. Dennis Price was just there. He wasn't bad, but he didn't stand out. Neither has anyone else in the role, honestly. To be fair though, the '45 version played up Armstrong with the presence of Walter Huston, to the point of making Lombard a 3rd lead. Herbert Lom is a superb actor, and if his Armstrong had been given the TLC of Huston's, it may have been a different call.

Blore: Stanley Holloway, but Warren Berlinger is a close second.

I'd agree with this. I also liked Gert Frobe in the role. Roland Young had to play him as a buffoon. Because of that, he was hampered.

Miss Brent: Call me crazy; I like Brenda Vaccaro best.

I'd go with Judith Anderson here. Emily Brent is a b*tch. Anderson nailed that part of it.

Vera/Ann: Sarah Maur Thorp is the best by a long shot. Of the four, she and Shirley Eaton best portray the increasing emotional strain the character is under from the start to the finish.

Agreed here also.

Lombard: Hugh O'Brian is the best of a bad lot. None of them are really very good.

I thought Louis Hayward's interpretation was the best of the bunch. He looked the part, and while romancing Vera, he still gave off an untrustworthy vibe to kind of keep you guessing. Agreed though, Lombard's a character that loses a lot when he's turned into a romantic lead. In his younger days, I think Timothy Dalton would have been an excellent Lombard, allowed to keep true to the book.

General M: C. Aubrey Smith in the original.

I'd go with Lom. The deaf joke in the original lessened Smith's portrayal. They really improved on the character in the '89 version. Lom was allowed to slowly let the guilt of his actions show, and his confession to Vera is well-acted and powerful.

Marston - I give this one to Fabian.

Here's truly picking the best of a bad lot. I'd throw this one to Charles Aznavour. He underplays the role for the most part (Except when belting out the ten little indians song) and his confession is well-acted and believable. The other three actors are way OTT which lessens the character a lot.

Mrs. Rogers - Queenie Leonard in the original, but only because she's the only one correctly written.

Agreed here.

Rogers - I actually like Alberto de Mendoza the best.

I'd go with him also. Mario Adorf and Paul L. Smith are @ssholes. Richard Haydn is memorable, but ruined by the comedy. Mendoza gets to show a bit of grief over the wife's death, and he's also an @sshole, but not to excess.

Judge - by a nose, Wilfrid Hyde-White. Donald Pleasance is actually quite good in his version.

Wilfrid was just too genial for me, though I liked him. I thought Attenborogh was the closest to the novel Wargrave, though Donald Pleasence is a close second.

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In his younger days, I think Timothy Dalton would have been an excellent Lombard, allowed to keep true to the book.


Oh, I LOVE this idea.

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Yes, Lombard always struck me as a very dark James Bond. So Dalton's Bond is definitely closest to a Lombard. Plus, they mention Lombard's wolfish grin, which Dalton has down to a tee. I can easily picture 70s-80s area Dalton grinning darkly and saying in that nifty Welsh accent of his, "A title? Yes....It's called 'Swan Song'.

So we've established our picks among those who've played the role before...What about if we had the chance to cast a remake? The budding, wannabe superstar in me would jump at the chance to cast myself as Lombard, but I'll use established actors for my list:



Philip Lombard: Cillian Murphy. Plays a good hero and a villian, which Lombard has to have. He's the "hero" of the piece, but he's no angel. I think Murphy pulls it off no question.

Vera Claythorne: Rose Byrne. Oh those sad eyes of hers. Perfect for the haunted Vera Claythorne. And I've seen her lose it in the "Insidious" films, so she'd deftly pull off the mounting terror Vera feels.

Judge Lawrence Wargrave: Sir Ben Kinglsey. Originally, I picked Geoffrey Rush for this, but reading the description of Wargrave recently, I have to go with Kinglsey. He's a brilliant actor who's been saddled with non-brilliant films of late. I think he'd be a perfect judge. He looks the part, but is mild-mannered enough as an actor to fool the audience.

William Henry Blore: Timothy Dalton. I'm a fan of Dalton, he actually is my favorite of the Bonds, and I'd earlier thought of Ray Winstone, but Dalton is a good height and build for the role, and he's played enough villains that if he had a moustache,he'd definitely fool first-time viewers into suspecting him. Blore's a bit intimidating also. Dalton could easily handle that.

Dr. Edward Armstrong: Colin Firth. I think Firth would be an excellent actor for this role. He can play Armstrong's professionalism, and also the abject terror as he becomes mildly unhinged during the film's events. Plus, what could be more intense than seeing Dalton, Kingley, and Firth acting opposite each other.

Emily Brent: Helen Mirren. Pretty much a no-brainer. She'd be perfect for obvious reasons, and she could play the role with enough callousness to make you suspect her.

General John MacArthur: Alan Rickman. The role is way too small for an actor of Rickman's talents but it's the biggest one left that he'd be fit for. He'd certainly have no problem in the role, and I can picture how good the scene would be when he confesses his crime to Vera.

Thomas Rogers: Richard E. Grant. He's played a butler effectively before (Gosford Park) He's a brilliant actor, and he's got a nice sinister look about him that again I think would throw off first-time viewers and make you suspect him.

Ethel Rogers: Emily Watson. Again, brilliant actress who would make a small role shine. She too could play the haunted quality effectively, much like Rose Byrne.

Anthony Marston: Daniel Radcliffe. He's a good actor, and because it would throw the audience for a total loop killing of Radcliffe first.

Fred Narracott: Geoffrey Rush. Not only would it be funny having Barbossa himself play the Captain of a small boat, again, I'm thinking of first-time viewers who might suspect him of being the killer until the island is searched. They certainly wouldn't be expecting Rush to drop everyone off and that's it.

With the novel ending, of course. You don't waste this list of brilliant actors with the now overdone happy ending. Setting, 30s, Island, house. Just turn on the camera and let this cast blow everyone away.

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The 1945 cast is superb, the actors extremely well-cast in their roles, even the minor ones (Queenie Leonard as Mrs. Rogers comes to mind first). But the 1965 film has Hyde-White, Holloway, Genn and Price (who was a delightful serial murderer himself in KIND HEARTS AND CORONETS), and they're not to be sniffed at, either.

Dahlia Lavi wore what is certainly the WORST wig I've ever seen in a film, even worse than the hairpieces in VALLEY OF THE DOLLS or Barbra Streisand's in THE WAY WE WERE.

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I've yet to see a movie of Daliah's where she *didn't* wear that wig. Same one in "Casino Royale" and the Matt Helm film she did.

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Which is why I like her long straight hair look in "Lord Jim" the best.

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