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Why the Hassel with his New Identity


If Hamilton/Wilson didn't want to be a painter in Malibu, why not just relocate somewhere else, like a hardware store owner in Portland, Oregon? He had a great new face and clean new ID, he could just be moved around to somewhere else as long as he kept quiet. Why did he insist on getting whole new set of surgeries and therapies, which obviously cost a bundle and can be dangerous and debilitating, when he could just relocate with the perfectly adequate ID he got the first time? Heck, after visiting his widowed wife, he should have just went back to California

What are they doing? Why do they come here?
Some kind of instinct, memory, what they used to do.

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You're missing the point: no matter where he went, there he'd be. Rock's character never was able to be true to himself, and by the time he got a second chance, it was too late. There would never be enough to fill the empty void inside of him. He'd been a walking dead man his entire life, and no amount of cosmetic surgery or reinvention would ever change that.

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I realize there were deeper identity issues but he was a businessman, and knows that stuff is expensive

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The "deeper identity issues" were what the film was about. Specifically, it was about "identity." The fact that he was a businessman is irrelevant. It was metaphorical. By the time he'd gotten to the point he'd reached in the story (I'd say late '50s-early '60s in age), the notion of what things cost had ceased to be of any importance. It was about finding meaning in his existence.

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I realize the theme & his issue was much deeper than my mechanical plot complaint. But someone there should have told him: "Dude, this is it, make the best of your new ID or else!"

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Jakealope, I was under the impressions they were watching him. Salome Jens was with the company. Once he starting blabbing, his fate was sealed.

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True
But look at it this way, for 30K he got a great deal: complete reconstructive surgery, months of all sorts of professional therapy, a butler, swank California beach house, dream job, etc. Even in the 60's that was an awesome deal. One would think that before they faked his death, they would have asked him to do some long term fraud like a bad loan. So what did he expect for all that, another round? *beep* the beach house alone he could have sold and went off anywhere!

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Jakealope, one of the things about IMDB that just amazes me is that you can take a film that is very old, hasn't been on TV or in theaters in about 50 years, maybe one that hardly anyone saw (like "Seconds")and go to that movie on IMDB and there will STILL be a bunch of posts, some quite recent. The reason I visited this thread is because I have a book (three volumes) on Cult Movies, written by Peary. Have had them for a long time,they are falling apart. Every year or so, I leaf through them. I might have seen a movie that's in the book that I have just seen for the first time and enjoy reading about it. Looked through it the other day (first time in 2 years or so) and noticed that "Now Voyager" in it. Had just seen it on TV for about the 10th time, so enjoyed reading the write up in the book. Anyway, "Seconds" was in there, so decided to visit the board. I have not been able to figure out if this make people like me a total nerd or someone very knowlegeable about old movies. I prefer the latter. Also discovered another one of us made a post and had seen this person a couple minutes before on yet another show. I think IMDB really draws movie lovers together and thats so great!

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With DVDs and the net these good old movies never die. I just recently borrowed this one from the library.

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for 30K he got a great deal: complete reconstructive surgery, months of all sorts of professional therapy, a butler, swank California beach house, dream job, etc. Even in the 60's that was an awesome deal.

30K was a very sizable chunk of money prior to Nixon's floating the dollar. Take it from someone who was there, that amount of disposable cash was beyond the reach of most people. And WHY would they ask him to commit fraud?! They were targeting rich guys whose deaths, because of their conventional lifestyles, would stay under the radar. How long do you think it would be before a pattern emerged linking the sudden deaths of rich men - who all seemed to know at least one other victim - to bad loans? Do you honestly think that these things didn't occur to law enforcement officials just because there were no computers? Not only that, it's a safe bet that most of the "reborns" left "widows." It's stated that these women are well-provided for; how long do you think The Company could keep a low profile if a slew of suddenly widowed women who had every reason to think their needs would be met forever all found themselves connected to bad loans that their wealthy husbands had no reason to take out?

The point is that this was constitutionally an empty, unfulfilled man who was what he was, period. MOST people are what they are and don't change, even if they're unable to run away from their environment. How many criminals in Witness Protection get busted for criminal activity, despite having been given new lives and identities? Get the point? That's the moral of the story and why the waiting room was filled with so many sheeplike guys whose transformations failed to meet their needs.

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I understand the guy was empty inside. But you have to admit, he got a heck of a good deal for 30K, 1960s or not. Just from a financial POV, I don't see how that company, syndicate, whatever you want to call it, could make any money since they had a whole slew of their own docs, pros, helpers and lodging to pay for. That is why it wouldn't be untowards if the syndicate asked him to say make a bad loan, well covered for, to cover some of the costs of the whole program. Nothing to obvious, after all, loans & investments don't all work out well.

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I give up.

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Give up what, smoking?

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