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SECONDS coming to Blu-ray from Criterion!


on August 13th

New 4K digital film restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray edition
Audio commentary featuring director John Frankenheimer
Actor Alec Baldwin on Frankenheimer and Seconds
New program on the making of Seconds, featuring interviews with Evans Frankenheimer, the director’s widow, and actor Salome Jens
Interview with Frankenheimer from 1971
New visual essay by film scholars R. Barton Palmer and Murray Pomerance
PLUS: An essay by critic David Sterritt

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Criterion's release of Seconds will also be available on DVD ($29.95 SRP) as well as Blu ($39.95 SRP). Widescreen, obviously.

Curious cover art.

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Thank you.

I'd opt for the blu-ray of this film over the dvd (though the fact that I bought the Korean import this winter muddles things), but too many people making these announcements like to ignore the fact that it's receiving a dvd release as well.

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Yes, you're right. Unless I have no choice, or a special reason to get a Blu-ray, normally DVD suffices quite well for me (especially from Criterion!). So I've changed the thread title to include DVD, which I should have done before. Thanks.

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I really wish the lost scene of Hudson meeting his daughter (who was played by Evans Frankenheimer) were found for inclusion because to me it's the one scene that would have helped further drive home the regret of the Hamilton character.

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I never knew of that scene. I remember him going to see his wife. The fact that she never thought there was anything suspicious about him was always a bit, well, suspicious to me. Conveniently convenient.

Anyway, maybe they thought having him see one family member was enough to get the point across, and probably so. They could have filmed him seeing both wife and daughter together, I suppose, but I think one-on-one works better. But if the scene with the daughter was cut out it's not surprising the footage was lost.

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Frankenheimer mentions the scene in the commentary. And the film practically telegraphed that there was going to be such a scene when it was established early on that the daughter was living in California (which is where he meets her. In the script, he sees her first before going back to see the wife).

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Cool, thanks, Eric, I never knew any of this. But I think it's best that they kept the "family-reunion" aspect to one person. Running into both would have been a bit too much. Still, it would have been interesting to see this footage. Was Evans John's wife? I'd think she would have to have been too young to be his daughter (especially if her character lived in California, meaning she was grown up).

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Yes, Evans was his wife, who acted under the name "Evans Evans" (don't know if that was her real name or not). The only thing I've ever seen her in was the Twilight Zone episode "A Hundred Yards Over The Rim" with Cliff Robertson.

It was amusing a few years later when John Randolph appeared in a "McMillan And Wife" episode with Hudson, and thus seeing the two on-screen together. Also, there's another bit of unintentional irony in having Richard Anderson as the doctor who is making one man into another. You can not resist the temptation to then say, "Gentlemen, we can rebuild him!" :)

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On my way back to this thread just now I caught a glimpse of the OP and saw Evans Frankenheimer listed as his widow...or, under the circumstances, his wi-d'oh!

Yeah, Evans Evans -- I knew exactly who you meant, and because of that same TZ episode. (You and I share too many of the same cultural touchstones!) The blonde who was married to the diner owner. I never knew she was married to JF.

Back in the 70s and 80s there was a woman in New Hampshire who was a Democratic Party activist, and ran unsuccessfully for Congress once or twice. It was said of her that she was saddled by her parents with a most unsuitable first name for a girl -- Dudley. What were the odds, then, that she would end up marrying a man whose last name was -- Dudley! Dudley Dudley. True. It didn't help her win an election, but at least people remembered her!

Love your reference to Richard Anderson's "other" TV life! Of course, there's a limit to how often you can be rebuilt in Seconds. No thirds.

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Seconds was filmed mostly in Westchester County, NY, a little in Manhattan, in September 1965.

That was two months after a New York City newspaper critic reported that Rock Hudson hoped this screenplay would offer him something very different from his recent comedies he had done with Gina Lollobrigida and Doris Day.

The critic went on to report that some Hollywood insiders thought the Seconds screenplay was as outrageous as the 1962 flop The Manchurian Candidate. The critic opined that the latter wasn't very outrageous. Instead, it was "a routine melodrama with the plot telegraphed as neatly as if it had been sent by Western Union."

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I actually recognize many of the locations in NYC and Westchester, where I lived.

If that critic was so clueless and dismissive of The Manchurian Candidate, it makes you wonder what kind of movies he was impressed by. The Sound of Music?

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Films released in the United States in 1965 that impressed this New York City critic included The Great Race, Repulsion and Juliet of the Spirits.

As for The Manchurian Candidate, remember the critic didn't necessarily trash it in its entirety but merely suggested it wasn't as outrageous or groundbreaking as some Hollywood insiders said it was.

This could be merely an example of the old dichotomy between easygoing Hollywood insiders and caustic New York City critics like Bosley Crowther.

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Was it Crowther? His reputation has not survived at all well. His commentary is now largely seen as narrow, unimaginative and with a lack of understanding for or appreciation of many movie genres, foreign films, and pictures he regarded as routine Hollywood films now considered classics.

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No, it was a now-forgotten movie reviewer for Hearst newspapers named Rose Pelswick. I found a vertical file of her 1960s film reviews at a library in Austin, Texas, of all places.

Back in the day, when certain newspaper wire services and New York dailies shut down, the owners realized that the New York Public Library system and Columbia University didn't have room for old vertical files. So many ended up in unlikely parts of the United States where the locals have no idea a nearby building has artifacts from New York City history. Some who don't know that spend their life savings to visit New York City where they hope to get bombarded by a lot of entertainment, much of it taking place a long time ago.

As for Crowther, yes, I have noticed those flaws in his 1960s reviews, especially his take on Bonnie and Clyde. Consider that he was much more believable in the New York area than in other parts of the United States, including southern California. New Yorkers had the option of getting entertained on Broadway, so they didn't become pessimistic when they heard that a lot of films supposedly sucked.

Crowther's negativity didn't mean much in Los Angeles. Even today, you will find that many Los Angeles people hesitate to say anything bad about films or TV shows, and they don't care if others have. This is partly because they don't know who might stand in line with them at a grocery store and partly because they are bombarded with so many options for attending film festivals and joining the studio audiences of Jimmy Kimmel, etc. Talking bad wastes their time, much of which they spend driving. They don't have to get bored if they don't want to as long as they avoid fender benders and the vicinities of multi-vehicle accidents. To a certain extent that was true in the 1960s.

Charles Champlin may have seemed important, but his opinion was one of many in Los Angeles.

In the 1960s, the film critics in your local papers held sway. If residents of Kansas didn't subscribe to The New York Times, then they didn't read Crowther's comments. If you check certain microfilmed newspapers in the heartland, you'll be very surprised to find some critics there liking Bonnie and Clyde.

The film reviews in women's magazines had little influence in the 1960s. An excellent example was Pauline Kael's numerous negative comments in McCall's magazine during the year 1965. She slammed The Sound of Music, The Pawnbroker, which was the first American film to portray the Nazi Holocaust realistically and Dr. Zhivago. Not until the 1970s did a lot of people pay attention to what Ms. Kael said and had said earlier.

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Film critics individually seldom held much sway over what people chose to see or not. Of course, unanimously bad reviews and negative word-of-mouth will help doom a movie, but the single fact that Bosley Crowther or Pauline Kael thought something was good or bad had little effect on most people's decisions on whether to see a film.

I've lived in or around New York City most of my life and seldom paid attention to what they or anyone else said. I often read reviews but have never decided to see or not to see a film based solely on its reviews. Until Siskel and Ebert, and later the internet and national TV shows, film critics were always strictly local.

The fact that NYC has a lot of theater I'm sure had absolutely no effect on whether people saw a movie. But speaking of the power of critics, for decades the reviews written by the theater critics of the major newspapers in New York were indeed make-or-break for a Broadway show's success. There's a scene near the beginning of the Doris Day movie Please Don't Eat the Daisies, in which Doris portrays real-life writer Jean Kerr, where we see her husband -- played by David Niven, portraying the famed theater critic Walter Kerr -- being subjected to attacks by aspiring playwrights and actors as being one of the "holy seven", the theater critics for NYC's seven major daily newspapers, who could indeed close a show with a bad review. This apparently happened to Kerr in real life, and it was an accurate reflection of the situation at the time.

No film critic has ever had that power.

I disagree that The Pawnbroker was the first American film to portray the Holocaust realistically. In fact, it didn't portray it at all: it explored the effect of it on a survivor, but actual depictions of the Holocaust itself were basically absent. Earlier films like The Search, The Juggler, Exodus, Operation Eichmann, Judgment at Nuremberg and others all either depicted the Holocaust or its after-effects on its victims.

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