Fearless Hollywood


Wow! What a terrific movie!

My favorite aspect of this movie is the fearless story-telling. The movie plainly shows the prostitution business; the savagery of the fledgling nation of China; the brutality of war; Asian racial tensisons; and the movie doesn't try to glorify the main characters. You just don't see that in Hollywood now-a-days, and that's a shame. Movie makers today need so much more bravado and fearlessness as seen in this movie.

It's also a shame this movie doesn't get more acclaim, it certainly deserves it!

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This is without a doubt my favorite movie of all time. I don't exactly know why. When I saw it on AMC I was going through some things in my life and this movie filled a void. It allowed me to relax and enjoy an afternoon.

I don't think it is the best movie I have ever seen, but it is without a doubt my favorite.

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I agree!!! In addition to the breathtaking lead acting and a fine supporting cast, what makes this film such a stand out is that it's all heart. As duanecu says, it's "fearless"-ly honest. It refuses to glorify inhumanity, whether of the American or Chinese variety, but it affirms the beauty of individual moral courage. Every once in a while, the missionary lines are too intrusive, making TSP more of an overt "message film" than it should have been, though most of the time it lets the characters actions speak for themselves. Still, because of occasional preachiness, I can never bring myself to think of this as more than a 3 1/2 star movie.

But oh how I wish more Americans had watched it in the aftermath of 9/11, when this country was in the grip not only of immense grieving, but of war hysteria and paranoia as well.

How I wish we could have kept our wits about us and just "laundered our shirts" as Jake Holman did. Movies, I'm convinced, can make a difference, but only if we watch them.

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Your so right. This is an incredible movie and a tribute to all who made it.
If this were made today, Holman would have saved everybody, put down the rebellion single-handedly. And gone off into the sunset with Candice Bergen, while making a glip remark that would leave it open for the all mighty sequel.
And Hollywood wonders why ticket sales are down>?

God how I hate the corporate suits that run hollywood. I wish them all painful, long agonizing deaths.

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>If this were made today, Holman would have saved everybody, put down the rebellion single-handedly. And gone off into the sunset with Candice Bergen, while making a glip remark that would leave it open for the all mighty sequel. <

Or more likely he would have been an ignorant and racist American who routinely belittled and insulted the Chinese citizens who were valiantly fighting for their lives against the evil U.S. interests which were secretly being manipulated by BIG OIL. Then he would have a change of heart and wonderful life morality lesson from an idealistic young Asian woman who exposes him to the shocking corruption and greed that drives Republican America. After she is brutally assassinated by the CIA, he will realize that he was truly gay at heart and escape into the countryside with one of the laundry coolies as a 30 page long post narrative explains to the audience how Imperial American interests in the 20s led ultimately to WWII, Korea, Vietnam and New Coke.

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Nope. Fiberglass guy's ending is more likely in today's Hollywood.

As John Milius once said, if movies with Nazis as good guys made money at the box office, Hollywood would make more movies with Nazis as good guys.

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I agree totally; this film truly stands out in that it avoids simple-minded characterizations. While Robert Wise and others may have intended the movie to have an anti-imperialist or anti-jingoist message, I see "Sand Pebbles" as a story of very different types of westerners all finding themselves outmoded in a foreign land torn apart by brutal internal strife. Yes, there certainly seems to be a preachiness in this film, and indeed I know some scholars want to see this film as having an anti-colonialist or anti-nationlistic perspective, based mainly on the statements of the patronizing Jameson. However, in my view the film makes brutally clear that Jameson's belief that adopting a politically neutral stance in the conflict and having a piece of paper to back it up can somehow wipe away his national or ethnic identity and thereby protect him from the violence around him "Damn your flag" is just as foolhardy and destructive to himself and those around him as the Captain's pursuit of glory and honor "If the San Pablo dies, she dies clean".
Keep in mind, just as in the Boxer Rebellion twenty years before, westerners, including missionaries(as stated in the film) were slaughtered by bandits and soldiers alike during the Chinese Civil War. In the end, Collins' actions(taking the San Pablo to China Light)are far more pragmatic and appropriate than Jameson's, which fail to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation, and probably would have gotten his young ward raped and killed. Indeed one could argue, that Collins' pondering of suicide is not motivated by a sense of failure, but rather by the contemplation of the far sadder fate of becoming useless in the face of an increasingly ambigious conflict. Only the clarity of the missionaries peril gives him (and the San Pablo)a renewed purpose.
While Collins and Jamesons' beliefs represent some of the larger idelogical struggles of westerners caught up in the conflict, Frenchy's romantic passion and Holman's rebellious nihilism "I have no more enemies" are much more personal but equally destructive. And while all the lead characters in the film are shown to be brave and intelligent people that transcend simple stereotypes, they ultimatly retreat back upon their more deeply held ideals when the world around them collapses deeper into savage partisan violence and chaos. In the end it is the more pragmatic, or naive, people that survive the bloodshed. As other posters have pointed out this film also shows both the good and bad of China during this time a well; and in the end, while there is certainly some sympathy with the Chinese people shown, one cannot help but view the whole struggle as a sensless bloodbath. As I said above, I can't speak to Mr. Wise's intent, but it seems to me that this film, like my other all time favorite, "The Man Who Would Be King", is less about preaching a particular political meesage and more about showing that when people are motivated blindly by strongly held beliefs, whether personal, religious, social or political, they often are unable to adapt to situations that do not neatly fit into their particular worldviews.

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"I know some scholars want to see this film as having an anti-colonialism or anti-nationlistic perspective, based mainly on the statements of the patronizing Jameson. However, in my view the film makes brutally clear that Jameson's belief that adopting a politically neutral stance in the conflict and having a piece of paper to back it up can somehow wipe away his national or ethnic identity and thereby protect him from the violence around him "Damn your flag" is just as foolhardy and destructive to himself and those around him as the Captain's pursuit of glory and honor "If the San Pablo dies, she dies clean". "

While I agree that McKenna himself was impatient with dogma, platitudes, and simple-minded solutions to complex problems, we should keep in mind that this was a man with very liberal sensibilities.

Where to find his true outlook? One tipoff can be found in Jake Holman's decision to remain at China Light - before the world intrudes again.

You can also find it in McKenna's remarks about world events. About the incarceration of Japanese-Americans during World War II, McKenna said: “ The mood of the people … [of the United States] seemed to me almost that of a lynch mob.” Plainly, McKenna despised coercion dressed up in colonialist, nationalist or other sanctimonious rhetoric.

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I can understand why this film has fans.
It is suspenseful.
Its tension scenes (conflict) are played out perfectly.
It is visually interesting, too.

But the Anti-Hero movie is not a kind of movie I like to see, in general.
You know the kind. -- The cynic who does something good, even as the whole movie show him to be a low-life, without a plan or a vision for his own future.
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I think there is a big percentage of the movie-going audience that prefers the hero to WIN in the end. -- Not DIE.

In a hero movie where the hero actually dies, the death is usually toward a noble goal, or larger cause.

How did Holman (Steve McQeen) die? -- Being the last soldier on a detail to get (unwilling) refugees out of central China.

That is nice, and might get Holman a posthumus medal, but it's not exactly BRAVE HEART, is it?

A minor death of a minor character, on a minor gun boat, on a minor mission.
(An engineer is NOT a general or a captain, you must admit.) The death of a non-officer is not the stuff of Hollywood heroes.)

What is the audience left with? -- Loss. Waste. A lot of military effort toward a tiny goal.

But, yes, the film surely is not typical Hollywood product.
And for that reason, THE SAND PEBBLES is sure to pick up fans as the years go by, just for the sheer gall of such a motion picture and such a mix of complex characters.
On that standard, I give the film an "A" for effort.

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"A minor death of a minor character, on a minor gun boat, on a minor mission.
(An engineer is NOT a general or a captain, you must admit.) The death of a non-officer is not the stuff of Hollywood heroes.) "

Fortunately, not all stories/movies have to be about major historical figures. I like the nitty-gritty story of an engineer on a small gun-boat in a "not quite a war" event. If movies were only made about major historical figures, we would never have seen Apocolypse Now, or Platoon.

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Or...

All Quiet on the Western Front
Full Metal Jacket
Paths of Glory
2001 A Space Odyssey.
The Big Lebowski
Casablanca
The Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather

Pretty much most of the movies made.

need I go on?


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