Robert Ryan


I have seen this movie several times and I always thought that Robert Ryan's character seemed out of pace with Marvin, Lancaster and Strode, or that Ryan was the wrong actor for the part. I'm interested in other opinions

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Maybe his acting is a little 'straight', compared to the liitle quirks you see in the other characters. His part in The Wild Bunch is similar. It's nice to have that kind of straight guy in movies though - without those types of guys, I think movies would seem one dimensional.

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While Ryan is one of my favorite actors, I will agree that he didn't quite work in this movie. IMO though, he's given an underdeveloped character who, despite a few good moments, doesn't really inspire much interest.

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Ryan in "The Professionals" is, I think, rather like the Anthony Quayle character in "The Guns of Navarone" (1961) another "men on a mission" movie, but set in WWII.

Quayle in "Guns" and Ryan here play men with a certain expertise who, nonetheless, get hurt (Quayle, falling down a cliff) or sick (Ryan, from the desert dust and heat), aren't up to physical par with the other men on the team, and in some ways endanger the mission.

It adds some suspense...one member of the team simply isn't as good as the others. It also adds some "reality" -- not all of us could perform on such a mission, so we sympathize a little with Ryan.

Also: Ryan, the horse expert, loves horses, and won't shoot the first group of them left behind by the banditos, which leads to trouble...

As for Robert Ryan, the actor:

He was very sick in the last years of his career, and his face had, I thought, a very handsome, wounded, sad grace. It worked for "The Professionals" here,and it worked incredibly well for "The Wild Bunch." He was always a great actor, but particularly good near his end, when he looked so weary. (Remember him as the jerk general versus Lee Marvin in "The Dirty Dozen" of 1967?) He's great in his last film, "The Iceman Cometh," with Lee Marvin (again!)

Still, its true: the "action men" in "The Professionals" are the other three guys, especially the "old buddies" Lancaster and Marvin.




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I usually don't reply to these boards, but this one intrigued me because this is perhaps my favorite western. My main complaint with this movie is that I always felt Robert Ryan's character was not given enough to do, as compared with Marvin, Lancaster and Strode. I did like that he was sympathetic toward horses, but the script almost makes him way inferior to the others, especially Lancaster. (Director Richard Brooks had also worked with Lancaster on ELMER GANTRY, and I believe he felt Lancaster was his favorite actor to work with, which would help to explain why he pretty much dominates the movie.)
I always liked Robert Ryan, but in his last decade he seemed to be relegated to secondary "officer" roles in movies like THE DIRTY DOZEN and THE LONGEST DAY, all of which were pretty one dimensional and I would suspect not very satisfying for him. I also like the comparison to Anthony Quayle's character in GUNS OF NAVARONE, another of my favorites. However, Ryan's character does have one crucial and rather heroic scene, in which he does a bit to save his partners.

(Please note: the following may be considered a SPOILER.)
When the others return to their camp with Claudia Cardinale, after having just "rescued" her from Jack Palance, some of Palance's men arrived at the camp earlier and conceal themselves behind Ryan holding a gun to his back. Ryan gives his partners a sort of coded message which warns them of the bandits' presence. I believe he gets shot for his effort as well, though it's not fatal.

To get a better view of Robert Ryan's acting range, I suggest checking out his earlier movies, such as THE SET-UP, INFERNO and especially CROSSFIRE, which shows a decidedly darker side of Ryan's acting range.

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Give a look at Bad Day at Black Rock, I think you'll see a little more of Ryan's abilities there with a more developed character.

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Also check him out in The Setup. TCM shows it a few times a year. Great little movie about a washed up boxer.

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Also check out Ryan in Lonelyhearts (Vincent J. Donehue, 1959), where he stars opposite the equally compelling Montgomery Clift. Ryan plays the role of a darkly cynical newspaper editor who is somewhat malicious and yet not without integrity. Like many fifties melodramas, the film isn't exactly subtle, but it's also a wrenching character study that explores such vital, tangled feelings as idealism, cynicism, claustrophobia, empathy, shame, fear, tragedy, duplicity, distrust, and desperation. It's the kind of gripping, sobering, darkly bittersweet melodrama that we don't often see nowadays (Million Dollar Baby, a film with cinematic values that project back to the forties and fifties, is an exception).

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Ryan is not given enough to do in "The Professionals". If an actor of his caliber couldn't make anything of that role, nobody could. The role just wasn't developed enough.

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Ryan is "The Professionals" weak link, but it's not his fault. The script sticks him with the lamest lines, the least realistic action scenes, and the wimpiest work (checking horseshoes while the others shoot up a town.) I think the Lancaster-Marvin axis was too strong, and the director just didn't think Ryan was going to add as much.

But Ryan gives the best performance in the far better "The Wild Bunch" as the conflicted Deke Thornton, and actually benefits from being "out of step" with the other principal characters there.

Conclusion: Ryan was a great actor but miscast in "The Professionals."

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Ryan was certainly wasted in "The Professionals". A weaker (meaning less macho) actor should have been cast in that role. Ryan was miscast in the sense that the role didn't do justice to his strong screen presence.

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I use to think that Robert Ryan character was really out of place in this movie - then it dawned on me that maybe Richard Brooks was using the characters in the movie to represent the dualities of man. How the sensitive man needs to be able to defend himself and recognize there is evil in the world. On the other hand, the "man with no principles", needs to recognize that not everyone is evil and there is good in the world. One can't live without the other.

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If I remember the novel (A Mule For The Marquesa)correctly, Ehrengaard was a German immigrant who came west and became a a first-class horseman and packer(a fairly important job in the 19th and early 20th Centuries)and I think translating Ehrengaard to the screenplay without the somewhat jolly didposition of the novel's character was to make him a bit of a straight-arrow. Make him somewhat moralising and he takes an instant dislike to Dolworth's carefree, somewhat imature ways. (Possibly jelousy, possibly Dolwort's choatic, come-what-may attitude is an affront to the diciplined packer, where everything has a place and must fit perfectly)
In the end he comes to admire Dolworth who is, in his own way, a Proffessional.

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Ryan was certainly wasted in "The Professionals". A weaker (meaning less macho) actor should have been cast in that role. Ryan was miscast in the sense that the role didn't do justice to his strong screen presence.

That sums it up pretty well, with Lancaster and Marvin taking up the spotlight, there simply wasn't enough room for a third soprano.

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I think this is accurate. When Grant assembles the original team in his railroad car, he lists the specialties of each. Fardan (Marvin) is the combat veteran who served with Pancho Villa and the Rough Riders. Sharpe (Strode) is the expert scout and tracker, expert with rope or a bow. Ehrengaard's (Ryan) expertise is as a wrangler and packmaster. So his role is to handle the travel logistics as they ride 100 miles through Mexico. He's not on the team for his fighting prowess. Fardan sizes up the team and realizes they need more firepower so he enlists Dolworth (Lancaster).

So as their roles on the team are defined, Ehrengaard has the least to do. A lesser known actor could have done fine with that part. Seems like they wanted another name actor in the film but Ryan was overqualified to play it. In that sense it was a waste of his acting abilities. But I don't think Ryan is at fault for the way he played the role. Ryan played plenty of tough guys but Ehrengaard was never intended to be one of them. As we see in the first fight, he's an adequate shot. But other than his superior skill with horses, he is the weak link on the team when it comes to fighting. He even passes out from the heat. And his love for horses puts the team in jeopardy when he won't shoot the horses of the first bandits they kill. Ryan is fine in the role of Ehrengaard. He wasn't supposed to rival the other three as tough guys.

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I am an admirer of Bob Ryan. I think he had all the elements to be a successful leading man, but it seems to me that he mostly played supporting parts to other big names. Ryan was very tall, handsome, built well. He was a Shakespearian-trained actor who always knew what he was doing in front of the camera. Like another actor I enjoy, Jack Palance, Ryan unfortunately didn't have what the studio heads felt necessary to headline a film.

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I agree with many others here in that Robert Ryan wasn't given much to do in The Professionals in comparison with his fellow actors. It was disappointing because Ryan was a fantastic actor and capable of handling any role given to him. Two perfect examples are in Crossfire and The Set-Up. Otherwise, The Professionals is a first-rate western.

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I am collecting DVDs of Film Noirs. Robert Ryan cut his teeth in them! I have two starring him so far. I was surprised because the movies he starred in during the '60's when I started watching new features, he seemed like the straight officer-type as someone said. Someone to rebel against. Hardly the type of character he started out as. But, then, Cagney became Yankee Doodle and Widmark became a prosecuting attorney in Judgement at Nurenburg. Actors grow up.

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"The Professionals" was one among many movies before and after, Western and non-Western, where the action protagonists were groups of men. "The Magnificent Seven," "The Great Escape," "The Dirty Dozen," even the Rat Pack films are some of them. What I think their audiences--Sixties audiences--demanded of each character in these movies, maybe because "The Magnificent Seven" first gave it formula, was that he be not only a stellar specialist like a munitions man, a "professional," but also endowed with charisma and hipness. New stars came out of it; think Steve McQueen or Charles Bronson. Robert Ryan's horse-handling character departs from the pattern. We get a final shot of the professional foursome, a shot that implies each is master of his specialty, but Ryan does not rise to that. Yet what he does not rise to is not necessarily the movie on its own story terms but instead the genre of which "The Professionals" seems to be a part.

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Robert Ryan was ill during filming,and in a somewhat,depression. It's visible in almost scenes he have. That's the reason he performed in such a low key, it isn't a "waste" of Robert Ryan like some users have said, i think the man signed for the movie and then he was unable to do it, but he had to do it. He almost don't have any lines, neither action scenes (when the other three attacked the Raza's Hacienda, Ryan stayed in the train for apparent no reason...) it isn't a weak storyline, it's because the actor simply can't do it on his state of illness, and they had him being shot for the same reason.
He was on the movie by contractual purposes and simply to add "Robert Ryan" on a list of A-Class Actors, but not for his wish, that's why he looked like a "fish outta water" throughout the whole movie.

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That may be true. However, Ryan was also ill during the filming of The Wild Bunch and he still comes off a lot better, even in the action scenes.

"You know what else isn't cool, Bobby? Hell."

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To see younger Ryan at his "Western" best, try THE NAKED SPUR, THE TALL MEN or BEST OF THE BAD MEN.
"We're fighting for this woman's honor, which is more than she ever did."

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Interesting to read how many folks felt that Robert Ryan's character was the "weak link" of the 4 professionals.In reading his bio I discovered that he attended Dartmouth College where he was their heavyweight boxing champ for four years in a row.He served in the United States Marine Corps,1944-'47.He worked as a seaman,sewer builder,miner,cowboy in Montana,bodyguard & on the WPA.This was one rugged customer in real life.

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According to the special features on the DVD, Robert Ryan was very sick at the time he did The Professionals. He told Richard Brooks this, but Brooks said he wanted him in the movie anyway. It could be that Ryan's health prevented his character from getting more of a role and development. He died relatively young (Age 63) from lung cancer. It may well be that all of his "slow-motion," weary roles, such as this one and The Wild Bunch, reflect his physical decline.

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Marie Gomez ('Chiquita') tells at the extra features on the Blu-ray, that Ryan was ill during filming of The Professionals.

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Robert Ryan is one of my favourite actors, period. He simply wasn't granted as much screen-time as Marvin, Lancaster or Strode were. Lancaster's character was perhaps the most entertaining of the quartet and was given the best lines, Marvin is adept at playing these sort of gritty, resourceful, tough-guy roles and was good to watch and Strode played an intriguing character too. On the contrary, Ryan's character was a little colorless by comparison, I agree with the consensus here. He's introduced as a feisty, fiery type - he punches someone out within a minute of first appearing in the film, but for the remainder of the picture, he seems a sort of repressed, slightly dour man. Ryan was excellent given what he had to work with, and whilst his character was underwritten, I still found him likeable. And that has to attributed to Ryan's acting ability - he's excellent at playing these world-weary types.

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Ehrengard is a little older than the rest are, and his love of horses can be considered a "weakness" in the context of an extremely risky mission. His disgust at Raza's massacre of the Colorados also sets up some lines about how horrible that unit is and gives the audience some background on Fardan.

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Also, very little is made of him as the group's "packmaster." No group in the West traveled more than a few miles without having a good packie on board. Someone who could put up and break down essential equipment quickly. meaning tents, cooking tools, ammo, portable blacksmith stuff, guns, first aid, extra clothes/boots, blankets, etc.
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I never thought Robert Ryan's character in "The Professionals" was bad so much as he just wasn't the Burt Lancaster or Lee Marvin characters. It may not have been Ryan's best work but I wouldn't call it a bad performance by any means.

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