Bergman's reaction made me LOL
From the trivia section:
Ingmar Bergman, not being a fan of Jean-Luc Godard found out about the film, went to go and see it and called it "a classic case of Godard: mind-numbingly boring".
Oh, the irony!
just wondering, how is that ironic?
shareLet me put it this way:
Imagine Zach Galifianakis calling Matt Damon fat. Can you see the irony in that?
I see. I guess you find Bergman to be boring. Personally, i don't, at least from what I can tell from the three films of his that I've seen. Seventh Seal was kinda boring though.
shareWhich were the other two - out of curiosity?
sharePersona and Wild Strawberries. I really liked both of them but I didn't care for Seventh Seal too much. It was a good movie, I just didn't particularly enjoy it. I couldn't really say who's more interesting, or the better filmmaker between him and Godard. I don't think three Bergman films compared to fifteen Godard films is enough for me to compare them. But from what I've gathered, Bergman is far more boring than Godard. Actually, i don't think Godard is boring at all. He's one my favorite directors of all time and I love his flair for directing. I just didn't get what you meant by ironic in your first post, i guess i'm slow or something hahaha.
shareOh, I agree with you. I thought Persona and Wild Strawberries were a lot less boring than Seventh Seal.
I can understand why some may find Godard boring, but Bergman, the master of lingering shots and slow pace, should have tried watching his own films before judging Godard this way. Then again, he may have enjoyed watching them, they all seem very self-indulgent to me anyway. :)
Godard on the other hand is fascinating, if only in one way: you really don't know what to expect in the next scene! His films show a man passionate for film making, admittedly in unconentional ways, and that is the main reason I personally enjoy his movies.
It's the other way round for me, I've seen twice as many Bergmans than Godards, but I'll change that soon!
Bergman and Godard... two influential writer/directors, but very different, to state the obvious. What isn't obvious to me is why Bergman so famously hated Godard's work, was vocal about it. I can see Bergman perhaps calling Godard a fake, shallow, etc... I mean, sorry to state the obvious again, the two were very different film makers... but to call it "boring," is a superficial accusation in itself. I like both of these "auteurs," though not everything from either. I find a great deal of what Godard was up to in the seventies with video to be tedious in the extreme, and even yawned my way through some of the sixties stuff. Masculin Feminin, however, is one of my favorite films of all time, and I'm not sure I could even explain why. Thinking of "what it is about,"... one would think it would be boring, but in 2015, it still seems very fresh and alive and exhilarating to me. The overly long and strident "Weekend," by comparison, gets so tedious for me that I can rarely make it to the "fin de cinema," while reading about it makes it sound like something I'd find very interesting. Bergman was probably just ticked off that, while he was trying to create an art cinema that was expertly done with spiritual depth, Godard was getting hyped up and called a genius, etc... Bergman probably just saw Godard as making a film on the fly, making it up as he went along, no real effort, no depth, not taking it seriously, which may be true in some respects, and isn't necessarily a fault in the right hands, but it isn't true at its core, as Godard took (takes) cinema and the ideas he was putting into his films very seriously. If I were forced to take only one movie with me to a desert island (with a theater), and the movie had to be one by either Bergman or Godard, it would only take me a fraction of a second to choose, and I'd take Masculin Feminin.
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Lingering shots + slow pace doesn't equate to boring. You're just a victim of pop culture and having a naarow-minded/superficial opinion of what can be interesting. If they add to the content within the realm of the film, how can they be boring? Bergman touches some great ideas and analyses them to great depths. Godard has an interesting style and I think he's great too, but if you or anyone finds Bergman boring, you are all missing out on one of the greatest artists in cinema.
shareDo you know what you're talking about, or do you just want to be applauded for liking Bergman? Sorry, I don't get the attitude.
You are addressing someone who considers Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (1975) a cinematic masterpiece, so don't talk to me about lingering shots and slow pace. You are not special because you enjoy Bergman, so please keep your patronizing snobbish comments to yourself.
Does your comment even try a bit to make sense? One never expects to be applauded for liking Bergman, there are fans of Bergman's films along every corner in the film circle. His filmography's that great and popular that it's not even that hard to like his works. It doesn't matter one bit in the grand scheme if you're a proud detractor of Bergman. There are quite a few who look out for what they're missing out on. Looks like you're not one of those.
And, neither are you special for liking Akerman's work, as good as it is. It is you who is being snobbish and patronizing for assuming the other person does not know what he/she is talking about.
OK, as I can see, you've been passing around this superiority complex of yours on other IMDB forums as well. Won't be biting anymore. Keep trolling and stay pressed.
shareYou see what you want to see. Opinions form these boards and those are my share.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean he/she is trolling. Be a sport and engage in a proper discussion, or leave the boards to those who can.