KTGAMTD


I first saw this film in the US when I was 11 or 12 yrs old .I knew then it was a grade b Italian spoof of the James Bond films that was so hot at the time.Since then i have seen it on TV and I have it on VHS and seen the european version of it .

I have always had a lot of questions concerning this film.
First what happens to the frozen women after the rescue and Ardonians plot has been stopped,are they dead ? Or do the resuers have a way of un freezing them?

Secondly why does Ardonian zoom in with his eyes on certain women and certain parts of thier bodies.The French girl who he is showing the orcids to he moves the magnifing glass to focus in on her lips.Also when Dorothy Provine is comming out of the bath when Ardonian arrives at her villa ,she bends over to get something and her lower back s exposed and of course Miss Soong when she first arrives for their initial meeting at the end they shake hands ,he grabs her hand and zooms in on her face then her eyes and finally her lips.

Thirdly the freezing process in only shown with Miss Soong;however many women are shown already "on ice" .Is their something that is done to the girls before they come to the lab other than having their clothes removed?

Another question that to me is very clear but I have talked to some people that differ with my opinion.When Ardonian first meets Miss Soong it is clear that he is very taken by her beauty and quite aroused by her.I believe that he then decides to add her to his collection and her goose is cooked .But some people believe he decides later in the film to make her a popsicle .

Some people think that she is very interested in Ardonian but I think she is only playing him to complete her mission.Quite a number of women I know believe she is actually interested in Ardonian as a romantic interest.They feel she may be interested in him as he is a very welthy man who could give her a great time .I also believe that the Chinese use Miss Soong as bait knowing Ardonian's fascination with beautiful women .

Another question what is the idea of having Miss Soong act as if she is having a sexual experiance when the needle is injected into her arm ?Is this scene just a junvinille erotic fantasy having the beautiful agent striped of her clothing as her employers lay dead the needle being a phallic symbol?


Lastly why is Ardonian freezing these girls ?After all his plot is to steralize the world and he will repopulate it using her frozen harem .But he is impotant and therefore unable to preform ,what is this guy thinking ???

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My opinion, Point by point:
1) We don't know if the girls can be revived or not. We can logicaly assume that the American paratroopers secured Ardonian's base and latter a team of scientific experts were brought in to study the technology (including the freezing chamber). But we really don't know if the girls were dead. Ardonian tells the British female agent that the cryogenic machines were origionaly designed to keep possible future spaceship crews alive for long interplanatary or even intersteller voyages. Had he actually developed the technology to the point wear he could not merely freeze the girls but actually revive them at some future date? We don't know for sure. Am I wrong or didn't Ardonian's secret satilight weapon emit a form of radiation that only rendered the male of the species sexualy impotent and sterile? Weren't the women uneffected? I ask this because there is a scene where the male American agent and the female British secret agent chance upon a primitive Amazon jungle tribe that had been exposed to the radiation that Ardonian wanted to use in his Satalight weapon (If I remember correctly the radiation came from a meteorite that had been discoved in the Amazon decades before and Ardonian had discovered this and sought to exploit it by useing it in the development of his satilight weapon.). If you will recall, the two secret agents observe the female members of this primitive tribe attempting to sexualy arouse the male members of the same tribe with an erotic tribal dance. But the men wern't interested because they had ostinsibly been exposed to the radiation. Well, assuming that both the men and the women in the tribe had been exposed to the radioactive meteorite, the fact that the women were trying to sexualy arouse the men (so that, presumably, the men would impregnate them and thus insure the perpetuation or survival of the tribe for another generation) would seem to prove that the problem was with the men and not the women; that only the men were sterile. Further, wasn't Ardonian's plan that all the nations of the world would protect him because he was the only MAN left alive who could impreagnate the worlds women (and thus perpetuate the species)? If this is so, then Ardonian certainly didn't need the women in his frozen harem to re-populate the earth. Thus, he probably just collected them because they were, in his estimation, perfect female specimins and he merely wanted to preserve their beauty the way he preserved the beauty of the orcid (without any thought of bringing it back to life or reviving it). Still, that doesn't mean that, theoreticaly, the frozen harem couldn't be revived. Would the U.S. government think it worth limited resorces to invest in exploring that possibility after the U.S. military had retreived the suspended animation tubes from Ardonian's lab? Possibly. It was the late sixties so the age of 'buget cuts' had not yet arrived in the U.S..
Another possibility is that I'm mistaken and the satilite weapon rendered both men and women sterile. In that event, Ardonian probably planned on placing himself in suspened animation, along with his frozen harem, untill after the weopon had been used. Then he would have his men revive him, and his harem, who would, togeather, precede to-er-eah-perpetuate the species. This assumes that the cryogenic process somehow protects or insolates the person being frozen against the ill-effects of Ardonian's satilight radiation or sterilozation weapon (do you remember if there is anything in Ardonian's description of the freezing device [when he's talking about it to the British lady spy] that would indicate it was for this purpose? If you have the tape, please check and let me know!]). For example, perhaps the fact that the cryogenec-freezing divice slows down the subjects metabolism somehow preserves the subject from the ill-effects of the radiation from Ardonian's satilite weapon. Hummmm. What do you think? Indeed, only if men alone (and not women) suffered sterolization due to the radiation weapon, Ardonian would still want to place himself in suspended animation in order to protect himself from the radioactive satilight weapon. However, this raises another question, why would Ardonian's men willingly subject themselves to being sterolized. Why wouldn't Ardonian's men betray him unless he promised to allow them to be frozen (and thus sheilded from the radiation) aswell? No, certainly Ardonian wouldn't allow them to be frozen and thus protected from the sterolization (as it would blunt his advantage of being the only man on earth who could perpetuate the species; an advantage he's counting on to protect him from retaliation by the worlds great powers). My theory is, therefore, that Ardonian's inner circle were composed of men incapable of sireing offspring. They served Ardonian faithfully because he promised them that he would reward them in some way (believing, as Ardonian and his men did, that the world would denie him nothing once it became clear that he was the only man capable of saving the human race from exstinction! Thus, they reasoned, Ardonian would be in a position to grant them any amount of wealth or power they might desire [provided they remain loyal to Ardonian]).
However, their is yet another posibility. Remember that the Red Chinese were intending to target the satilight weapon on the United States (and possibly other countries except Communist China). Ardonian had agreed to this but then double crossed the Red Chinese leadership, assasinated them, and targeted the weapon on all the nations of the world (so that he would be the only man capable of sireing offspring). Thus, it's possible Ardonian was planning on targeting all the nations of the world sans the location of his secret base, in turn secluded deep within the jungle interior of the Amazon. Thus, theoreticaly, Ardonian wouldn't have to place himself in suspended animation because his base wouldn't be targeted by the satilight. However, again, I would suspect that Ardonian's men were all incapable of having children or else, how could Ardonian be assured that they were going to be loyal to him; wouldn't try to take his place as the only man on earth capable of impregnating the worlds women. Besides, Ardonian has an inferiority complex about his sexual disfunction and thus part of his rational for carrying out this plan is because he wants to be the man with the greatest sexual prowess in all the world. Ardonian is a compulsive personality who is highly competitive and has to be the BEST at everything. Hince, his sexual disfunction is a constant irratant to him and causes him a massive inferiority complex for which he seeks to compensate with the satalight weapon that renders all men on the earth sterile (and thus of even lesser sexual prowess then himelf).
2) Why does Ardonian focus on and zoom in on the women he's attracted to? Because, like his orcids which he observes under a magnifying glass (and thus, in effect, zooms in and focuses on at close range), he admires their beauty and wants to add them to his collection. This is all rather de-humanizing; he sees the women as beutiful objects (like the orcid) to be posessed and preserved against age and decay and added to his collection. Ardonian doens't see them as human beings but as possessions to aquire for his collection (like the orcid. That's why the scenes with the orcid and the magnifying glass tie in well with the various scenes of Ardonian oggleing various women in the film).
3)Does something happen to the girls before they are brought to the lab other then having their clothes removed? No. Ardonian didn't rape them because he suffers from sexual disfunction (for Ardonian, having sex merely reminds him of his self-perseived inferiority as a lover and he can't take that emotionaly speaking). This disfunction accounts for the fact that all his women end up tireing of him and leaving him (which is why we see him keeping them under constant survailence with this hidden cameras and lackies who faithfuly report to him of their infedelity). Ergo, as a psycological defense mechanism, Ardonian's personality has developed such that he can no-longer form emotional attachments to women but, rather, see them as objects of beauty (like the works or art or rare plant specimens in his collection)to be aquired and controlled. Ardonian chanels all his sexuality into posession and control; not sex (although, dispite his sexual disfunction he does have a strong sex drive and is sexualy frustrated by his lack of an ability to perform sexualy). Now, this raises another question, if Ardonian has sexual disfunction how can he repopulate the world? Answer, Ardonian can have sex. But he cannot sustain sexual activity for any leangth of time that would pleasure a woman. He's a terrible lover. This fact has resulted in Ardonian's inablility to relate to his women as human beings or form emotional bonds with them; why he sees them merely as objects of beauty to be collected (because the women he's intersted in quickly loose interest in him once they figure out he's no good in bed. Thus, Ardonian has learned not to form emotional bonds with women or to even consider them as human beings. Rather, they are specimens in his collection. Nothing more).
4)When did Ardonian choose to add Miss Soong to his collection? Answer: I agree with you. I think it was imediately (upon first meeting her). She impressed him with her inteligence and beauty and the fact that she could compete and be effective in a man's world (which the sixties very much were in those days). He gives her little tests (can she arrange meetings between him and influencial Chinese leaders? Yes she can and this proves she is competivie and inteligent. Does she want a cigarette? She refuses and this proves she is health conscious. Can she remember the co-ordinates wheare the meeting is to take place in the Amazon between Ardonian and the Chinese leaders? Yes she can. She memorizes it; doesn't even have to write it down. Can she act as interpreter during these meatings? Yes she can. She has skill in languages which is another pluss. Can she arrange for money to be transfured between swiss bank accounts owned by Ardonian and the Chinese government? Again she comes through. So Ardonian keeps whatching, testing, giving her assignments and observing and rating her or scoring her as if she's his 'test subject; learns she's more then just a pretty face but a superior mental as well as physical specimen. I think he decides to have her in his collection from the begining but the more he gets to know her the more it becomes aparent to him that she will perhaps become his greatest specimen (with the possible exception of the femail British secret agent. But more on her, and Ardonian's unusual facination with her latter).
5)Yes, I believe Miss Soong isn't interested in Ardonian sexualy or otherwise. She is merely useing him and may even have orders to kill him once the mission is over. She tells Ardonian, at their first meeting: "We do not play games..." (as if to say "we Chinese play for keeps"). Ardonian replies: "Niether do I" (as if to say, "don't mess with me either baby!). This is all very subtile but one can interpret this by reading in between the lines IMO. Both the Chinese and Ardonian were useing one another and BOTH planed on double-crossing the other from the very begining! It's just that Ardonian was a little smarter and beat them to it (because the Chinese had not anicipated Ardonian's plan to become the only man capable of perpetuating the species and thus becomeing to valuable to kill; even if he were to kill the top Chinese leadership and take one of their high ranking officials [Miss Soong]as a frozen harem girl). We also see indications that Miss Soong really isn't interested in Ardonian when, durring the plane ride, Ardonian smiles at her and she looks in the other direction, almost condesendingly, out the window. Yet, prior to that scene in the plane, She promises him in his office that, after their mission is complete, she and he will "discuss other things". But it was all a lie. Her body languge on the plane indicates that, in reality, she wants nothing to do with him. The CIA breifs agent Kelly (the Mike Connors character) that Ardonian has Red Chinese connections (which turn out to be Miss Soong latter in the film) and that he's also mixed up in "white slavery". My guess is that the Red Chinese briefed Miss Soong about this (telling her he has a weakness for women and that she can use this to manipulate him with her feminine whiles). As a women, I think Miss Soong would find his involvent in white slavery revolting. She only does it because she is ambitious and has set aside a personal life in order to realize her professional ambitions in the Red Chinese government. I really don't think Miss Soong likes Mr. Ardonian. He's just a means to an end as far as she's conserned. Both Miss Soong and Ardonian are alike in this respect; both tend to de-humanize people and see them as means to an end. As for Ardonian, he has no romanatic feelings for her. She sexualy arouses him but he just sees her as a superior specimen to be possesed, controlled, and added to his collection of frozen women.
6) Why does Miss Soong act as if she's having an orgasm when she's injected with the needle; or, more importantly, why do the directors have her act this way? I really think it's a juvinle fantacy like you said; a rape fantacy type thing (for both men and women). But, note how Miss Soong is betrayed by having her employers murdered. She goes from being a great success and a powerful, respected and influencial woman to a misserable failer. Even if Ardonian hadn't kid-napped her she could never show her face back in China. Her superiours and benifactors in the Chinese goverment are all dead. If she when back to China she would no doubt face interigation and possibly prison or execution. Ardonian has destroyed her life or her career (which for her, is the only life she has allowed herself to have!) She is forcibly undressed (symbolizing her freedom and idendity being taken from her. She is reduced to slavery). The directors seem to go to a great deal of trouble to humiliate the character of Miss Soong (or rather have Ardonian humiliate her). Why is this? Contrast this with how Ardonian treats the Dorothy Provine (the female British Secret agent) character. Ardonian explains his plans to Provine and even discusses his sexual disfuntion with her (albeit briefly and only after she mentions it). Miss Soong is merely told: "you should be greatful I allowed you to live" and then summarily stripped naked! It's clear that Ardonian thinks the Dorothy Provine character is just as valuable as the Seyna Seyn character and wants to add both to his collection. However, he goes out of his way to humiliate poor Miss Soong while he treats the British female agent like royalty; almost as if he is courting her and having a romance with her. The British female agent is the only character that Ardonian comes close to relating to as a person. Why the double standard? Is it becasue of her oh so lady like British ways? Does she remind him of his mother? Is Ardonian an Angliophile who hates Chinese people? Purhaps Ardonian views the Red Chinese as threat; knew they were going to betray him when they got what they wanted; were using him and pretending to be his friend (believed that Miss Soong was insensere and leading him on when she implied to him that she would hook up with him after their business dealings were concluded. Thus, perhaps Ardonian was enraged by the two-faced Chinese duplicity and that is why he delt with them so harshly. But it's hard to say. The film doesn't tell us yet the double standard is there for all to see. Do you have any ideas why this is so?
As for your last question, why is Ardonian doing this, I think I've already addressed it (i.e. he has an inferiority complex due to his sexual disfunction and the only way he feels he can overcome this sense of inferiority is to make the worlds men even more sexualy disfunctional then himself!). Hope you enjoyed my little insights. Feel free to disagree or coment on any of them. Good questions on your part; they more or less some up the main mysteries about the movie! Good job!

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Great answers
but when I asked if anything happened to the girls before they came to the lab to be frozen I wasn't asking if they were raped .I was asking if there was any prefreezing steps that were done to them .I guess I wasn't clear.

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Sorry. Guess I've got a dirty mind!-lol! I don't know of any other steps besides the injection in the lab (for Miss Soong and I didn't see any other girls going through the process). It's not clear if the injection is merely a settitive (so that when she goes through the freezing process she won't disapoint Ardonian by comming out looking terrified [as she plainly is before the seditive is administered]. Aparently Ardonian wants the girls to look peaceful not terrified.) or if it contributed to the freezing process (by slowing down the girls pulse and resperation). It's clear that Miss Soong was more relaxed after the injection. But I don't remember anything before the lab. You've seen both the American releese and the Italian version so you would know better then I. What do you think?

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Well nothing was shown in the euro version either.But I was wondering if the took pills or another injection or something like that.I beleive that the injection was some form of tranquilizer to calm the girls down before the process started.

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I hope you guys don't mind me barging in on your two way conversation but you have brought up great points .
I'm not sure if they could revive the girls or not .
I believe that Ardonian was focusung in on various parts of the girls was the directors way of showing Ardonian's sexual interest in the girls.Like if a girl is wearing a short skirt or low ,clevage showing top all guys eyes get fixated on that spot.
I believe Miss Soong was picked for his harem when they first met.The way he reacted said he was very interested in her.
I believe Miss Soong was only playing Ardonian she definatly did not seem interested in him just completing her mission.
One interesting point I watched the film with a college room mate who went on to become a medical doctor and was a fan of this film.He said that they would have to be sure that the lungs and the intestines got special treatment before the freezing process so he always said that they would have to use a special inhaler to help protect the lungs and possibly use an enema to help protect the intestines he said thats why Miss Soong arives naked .There's a scene they should have put in the movie, Miss Soong getting an enema .I wonder if she would have acted as she was having an orgasim to the nossle going up her butt.
This could make sense as they arrive nude only to have a bikini put on them in the machine.
I beleive Ardonian put the girls into suspended animation so he could repopulate the world with them after his rocket made it's three orbits as he says ,so I think he intended to go through the process himself and protect himslf.
Something that you guys didn't bring up doesn't Miss Soong wiggle a lot during this film or is just mu imagination?

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It's funny thats why I asked the question about the freezing process .I had a friend who was a real super geek and he said the same thing about the lungs and the intestines as well ,he always said they would have to use some form of special inhaler and a specialized instrument to protect the intestines .I agree that would have been a great scene to add to the film !Maybe the creepy blonde guy could give it to her.I'm sure she wouls squell out "NO NO PLEASE NO" if she saw that comming her way !Now that would really add to Miss Soong's total humiliation!!! LOL!!!
This does make sense as the girls arrive at the freezing machine naked .
Yes I also noticed that she does wiggle alot in this film too.I believe that a dead man would notice that as well!!

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regarding why the girls are put into suspended animation TX-9 has brought up a good point - the radition only effected the males so why are these girls suspended ?
Is it as he said Ardonian only whats to collect beautiful things and keep them free from age,illness and decay .Or are they only there to be brought back when needed to repopulate the world? I can imagine Miss Soong doing the dance like the indian girl wearing a skimpy animals hide bikini with a painted face and belly trying to sexually arouse Ardonian.
Another starnge point I can remember in the movies grant it was long,long ago ,but when he electrucutes the chinese leaders and they apprend Miss Soong that people in the movie we laughing at her and continued as she is dragged out and the laughter intemsified as she appears wearig to towel or blanket and the laughter and comments hit a peak when she emerges from the freezing process.I never understood this .I always saw it as erotic and certainly extremely humiliating for Miss Soong but certainly someting that wasn't funny at all.

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I saw the film in the movies as well and yes the audience did laugh and make comments as well as you said when she first is grabbed by his henchmen and the laughter increases to a climax as she first emerges in the suspended animation state .There wear some whistles when the robe is dropped .I also didn't see anything funny about it at all .I agree it is a very erotic scene but certainly not funny.

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One point that I agree on was the Chinese were aware of Ardonian's lust for the ladies so I believe that is why they utilized Miss Soong .I'm sure like the CIA who believed he was dealing in white slavery the chinese were aware of this too.Miss Soong would have been informed of this as well .I'm sure she had no idea she was going to wind up a frozen harem girl in the end.But i believe as soon as Ardonian saw Miss Soong her goose was cooked .It is an interesting point that TX-9 brought up the british agent although she has been captured is treated with kid gloves ,while Miss Soong after the electrocution is treated shabley." Be grateful you are still alive" and dragged off to be stripped injected with a needle ,robe dropped off her ,and dazed and confused as she is put into the freezing device.Her fate was sealed as her benefactors are murdered ,she probably would have been jailed if she went back to China.Miss Soong has definately lost face (not to mention her clothing).A powerful successful woman reduced to being a harem girl.

Your part about the creepy little blonde guy giving Miss Soong the special injection to protect her intestines is perfect!LOL!!!!

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Well you two have been busy!lol! Interesting what you wrote about the rationalization for the women being brought to the freezing chamber naked. An enema and an inhailer sounds plausible. In the first Austin Powers film (and it's actually valuable to check this out because the freezing process Austin supposidly went through looks pretty much the same as the one dipicted in KTGAMTD [right down to the nude bodies inside large glass tubes filled with fluid that has solidified around them]), I noticed that when Austin is being 'unthawed' from deep freez he first caughs up reminents of the 'freezing fluid' from his lungs and then, moments latter, has to actually relieve himself at a toliet. I know this is a different film but I think that was sort of acurate in that the body would have been emersed in a preservative fluid that would have filled every bodily oriface (certainly would have filled the lungs, intestines, and bladder). Thus, a special inhailer (to protect the lungs) and an enema for the intestines (followed by an injection) make sense I suppose. However, I think it would have been kinder had Ardonian given Miss Soong the saditivie/injection before she was to recieve the enema from the little creepy guy! That must have been rather tramatic for her after all. No wonder she's so shaken by the time she appears in her little yellow robe-lol! I agree, seeing Miss Soong recieve an enema from Ardonian's creepy looking blond, Peter Lorryesque Valet would have been halarious! "NO DON'T...PLEASE-NO!"-LOL!
About the audiance laughing at Miss Soong, well, she did look rather ridiculous (hot but ridiculous). They really made a fool out of her and her employers. I think who ever wrote this film didn't have much affection for Red China!lol! I mean they actually have Ardonian assasinate Chairman Mao! I don't remember reading that in the history books!lol
Another point, one I've already made, is that when one compares how well the
British secret agent is treated by Ardonian and the little blond creepy guy after she's captured to how cruely and sadisticaly they treat Wilma Soong (who is totaly humiliated), one wonder's if the writers didn't really have it in for the Red Chinese. I don't know if this was racialy motivated or politicaly motivated, however. Perhaps both. I used to think it was only political, but now I'm not so sure. Hmmmmm.

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Another question - Miss Soong is obviously not attracted to Ardonian from the scene in the plane where he looks over at her but she looks out the other window,however she is being taken to meet her fate and not much time is left for her to do anything else.But earlier in the film she seems to have some interest in him albeit may be just a pure business relationship.Is it possible that somewhere between the beginning and her trip to the deep freeze she and Ardonian went to bed together? I've been trying to figure out where they could have done it.Maybe where Miss Flemming is at Ardonian's house and she is captured as a british agent and the butler comes in to inform Ardonian that Miss Soong has arrived .There is time between that and the scene where Ardonian and Miss Soong are on the plane together .Did Ardonian do the wild mombo on Miss Soong before they got on the plane? Is that why she has lost all interest in him as all his other girls have? Did they do the deed to celebrate the finalizing of the deal between Ardonian and her employers? Do you think Ardonian slept with Miss Soong?

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Hi guys i'm new to this board.I've been trying to get in but someone keeps putting up more posts and I get too busy reading them and pondering the answers to the questions.I'm a huge fan of Seyna Seyn since I first saw this movie in the 70's .I've tried to see all her movies but some are not on DVD or VHS (actually most are not).I too collect as many shots of her as I possible can .It is interesting that there are so many of her that keep popping up on E bay.
Certainly the best part of this film is her portrayal of Miss Soong.She has to be the most sexiest and exotic and erotic actress of all.It may be her part in this film with her character being duped and srtipped and actually having her as the only one who is shown going through the freezing process.
My head almost exploded when I read she is shown totally nude from behind in the euro version- I can't wait to get my hands on it.I also agree that the scene of the creepy blonde forcibly giving Miss Soong an enema and her reacting to it as if she was having the orgasm scene would have been hilarious .I'm not sure if i love her character due to her complete mortification or because it is so so erotic.

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Welcome, tommix-1!
Steve, that is an interesting theory; that Miss Soong actually slept with Ardonian and, by the time of the plane ride, has conseqently lost interest in him because he's so dreadful in bed! That would certainly be consistent with the other girls whom Ardonian has had sex with (who also either end up dead or frozen). She does seem to warm to his advances (in the scene where she tell's Ardonian: "When my work here is complete we will discuss other things!" I always assumed that she was just leading him on (although Ardonian was five steps ahead of her) but that is an interesting theory. Perhaps they did have sex some time before boarding the plan for the last time in the film. Perhaps Mr. Ardonian freezes these babes after they have sex with him because he knows they would otherwise leave him. It would also explain why Susan Flemming was treated so much better then Miss Soong. That is, Susan Flemming never made love to Ardonian, held out, and thus forced him to court her. She was a proper English lady and Ardonian seemed to respect this and thus Ardonian acted more Chivelrously toward her and even took her into his confidence (showing her his laboratory and even admitting to his sexual disfuntion and his inability to keep his women satisfied when Susan mentions his 'problem' to him).

Steve, Why do we all find Miss Soong so hot? Well, my theory is because she's so intelegent and beautiful and a women of power and authority who can compete in a man's world. Her exotic eye make-up, hair style and cheongsam dresses also make her erotic and exoticaly appealing. Western men have long fantasized about what in the dictionary is termed; the 'dragon lady' or 'a powerful and agressive woman of the orient'. It's also sexy to see such a woman stripped and turned into a harem girl or a proverbial 'damsel in distress' (and turned from being an evill agressor into a beautiful victom). I think, deep down, men either fantacize about giving her 'the works' as Mr. Ardonian did, or they fantacize about rescewing her from Ardonian's evill clutches and re-habilitating her into a nice Americanized or Westernized (for our European friends) girl!lol! I mean Miss Soong acts so fridged at the begining of the film. When Mr. Ardonian tell's her she's 'beautiful' she tell's him "I try not to think about that. It get's in the way of my work." Mr Ardonian then says, "there is more to life then work, Wilma" One gets the impression that Miss Soong is a young (Seyna Seyn was only twenty-five when she played the role in 1966) and ambitious career woman who has sacrificed a love life and even friendships for her ambition. I think some men fantasize about maybe being the one to warm her cold heart (or even just talk her into bed and later break her heart!lol!). Ergo, when we see her in a 'vulnerable' possition of being a damsel in destress (being vulnerable isn't something this caracter is used to. She always wants to be tough), this idea of winning her and melting her cold heart seems more attainable (if only we could be the one to rescue her). Well, that's some men. I think other men would just like to give her 'the works' like Mr. Ardonian, Dr. Kruger, and the little pudgy creepy guy with the short blond hair! Her tight cheongsam also causes her to wriggle!lol!

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Miss Soong probably had not sacrificed her love life .She probably had a lover who was close to her own age back in china at some earlier point in her life.She may even had been married and had children too.To get into her line of work she may have become to lover of a powerful man ,who was able to raise her up and give her great assignments like going to Brazil.This man would have imprisioned or killed her husband and told her for her professional life use the "Miss" prefix.Surley a girl with this natural beauty would have been preyed upon by a high ranking Chinese offical .

If my above theory is incorrect then your theory of men "giving her the works" comes into play.This may sound shocking but she may actually enjoyed being given the works as her sexual energy has to come out somewhere.She may have secertly enjoyed the shabby treatment she is given and the fact her clothes are stripped from her and she is forced to become a harem girl.It's possible she enjoyed her humiliating journey from a high ranking agent to a harem girl.It is possible the reason she seems to have the sexual release as the needle in placed into her arm could be due to her really enjoying the degrading experiance.

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I agree with both theories they probably would both be correct.Miss Soong had to become the "girlfriend" of someone powerful in the Chinese government to attain her status.And seeing a girl so so very beautiful it would only make sense that she has a sugar daddy.Also a very professional girl might have enjoyed the humiliation which is dealt to her .Just as the real Seyna Seyn faced with her acting career.I have pictures with her wearing bikinis and high heels with her arms around some 60 yr old bald fat guy and still other as repulsice characters .These must have been her benefactors in her acting career.Surley Seyna was given the casting couch treatment .Acting jobs for social and sexual favors.

There is a scene ( not on my copy ,filmed off TV in the 80's) which I think is great .I have discussed it with many people who remember it.When she is to recieve the injection the creepy blonde guy grabs and holds her arm.Miss Soong preforms her well discussed orgasm scene .Then a scientist and the creepy blonde guy start to remove her robe.As her robe is dropped the creepy blonde guy looks down to Miss Soong's ass ,and his eyes grow huge with delight a smile appears on his face .Miss Soong must of had a great behind in that blonde guy's opinion.

It is interesting that we all want to give her"the Works".Nobody complained that she had to do a nude scene ,nobody complained there was more shown of her in the euro version.Everybody thught it was a good idea to show her getting an enema from the creepy blonde guy .As we would see more of her nude and add to the humiliating scene .It seems we all want her degraded and humiliated and create more of a laughing stock of this very beautiful woman.

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I have the same shots ,I believe anyway.She is wearing a light tan bikini with brass rings ,two on the sides of the bottom and one in the middle of her chest.She is wearing white high heels.There are about 5 guys (all 50-60yrs old ) and about 10 of these bathing beauties.These guys must be studio executives and the girls starlets.All at some beach and some on a boat.One shot has her wearing a skimpy white bikini ,as she lays on her belly on the front of a boat with her top straps off and on the side this guy is putting oil or suntan lotion on her back as she smiles into the camera.

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GIVE HER THE WORKS! GIVE HER THE WORKS!LOL! Seriously, I did consider this possibility in one of my previous posts entitled WILMA SOONG: DRAGON LADY; this notion that she was a repressed masochist and that she acually enjoyed the humiliation (at the hands of men whom she probably considered her social inferiors-like the blond creepy guy); that it was a sexual release for her. It's one theory I came up with to explain why she has the orgasm upon recieving the injection. I thought then, as I do now, that it's at least plausable. But this notion that Wilma Soong had a 'sugar dady' back in China is news to me. However, I agree, it does make sence given that China is a highly patriarchical society and that women (even highly capable professional women like Miss Soong) would not easily rise to power unless they had a male benifactor in a powerful position in the Comunist government. However, Miss Soong also got the job and was able to hang onto it because she an efficent, cool and proffesional woman. Her beauty may or may not have gotten her foot in the door but her skills as a diplomat/arms deeler, and linquist/interpretor and whatever else she may have been, were all also necessary to her success. I wonder if 'the Chairman' of the Chinese Communist government whom Ardonian assasinates might not have been Miss Soong's 'sugar daddy'. If so it certainly must have been an added incentive for Ardonian to kill her superiours (that is, Ardonian probably suspected what you're suggesting and thus saw Miss Soong's 'employers' as his 'rivals'. By assasinating them in front of Miss Soong, Ardonian proved that he, not they, was the dominant male in her life!).
However, I have an alternative suggestion. The name Soong is that of an historicaly powerful and influencial family in China (has been for centuries). There are books on the subject. Thus, perhaps, Miss Soong didn't have a 'lover' or 'sugar dady' who was high up in the government and who was promoting her career. Rather, perhaps this was simply a case of nepotism; perhaps she simply came from a wealthy and influencial family (perhaps she had talent and ability but, again, her family connections got her foot in the proverbial door).
Interesting, your comparison's between Seyna Seyn (and the casting couch) and the character's she plays in her films (whom you beleive are 'sleeping their way to the top). I wonder if this was true (as the photos of her hanging out in skimpy atire while hanging off fat old balding movie producers seems to suggest). Maybe so. Maybe she married one of those rich movie producers (or one of his sons) and didn't have to work again for the rest of her life!lol! Then, again, maybe the film industry left her screwed, blued, and tatooed! We'll never know (since she's dropped off the face of the earth after the 1960's!). Seyna Seyn, ARE YOU OUT THERE!!!!!!!??????? HELLO, SEYNA!!!!!!!ARE YOU READING THIS?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!lol!

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Dear TX-9 i'm not sure what you mean GIVE HER THE WORKS ,GIVE HER THE WORKS
you lost me there I must have too much going on.Anyway I watched the film for the first time in 5 yrs .The head of the Chinese delegation is Ling the Deputy Chairman.The girls have to be frozen as all males,females and all eggs in the woman will get the radiation treatment.He has some form of ED but it is not explained but he will be the only answer for mankind to repopulate.And yes she looks as great as ever .But her final scene is even better than I remembered it ,she even wiggles into the capsule.Alas the american version though!!!I never really thought of it before I read some of TX-9 's posts but WOW is what they do to her humiliating !!!!She is really degraded!!!!!Is that what we all see as erotic the fact this beautiful girl is degraded????
Should we come up with ideas on how to humiliate her further ????
A freind of mine said to me along time ago "Man don't you wish you had a machine like that "

So TX-9 you are the specialist on this film ,you should write a review as the three ones they have are lame .I believe you would do a great job of it for all of us and of course Miss Soong.

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First I agree with Steve .TX-9 ,you should definatly write a review.

On another note ,regarding previous posts,dealing with the question of rascism in the film.If you were a young chinese american girl say 8 or so and you watched the film in the movies .You would look up to Miss Soong as someone you would like to emulate in your life .She's intelligent ,classy,sophiscated and very beautiful.Then you see what happens to her in the end with the theater audience laughing at her and I think it would be a real kick in the teeth.


personally i'm for giving Miss Soong the works all the way !!! Whatever we can come up with to degrade her is great!!!!!! I'm sure Steve or tx-9 can come up with some great things .I'll try too .Get to work fellows!

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As I watched the film I thought of the posts we have been discussing the last few days.
First on her final day the chinese want her to accompany Ardonian to the rocket site.He is very much the gentleman with her.She is then told to arrive at his home at 2 PM but there is time before they take his private plane ,and alot seems to have changed in her attitude towards him.So many they had a little celebration after all.
secondly from the point she is grabbed and hauled away till she reappears in the lab there seems to be a lot of missing time.True they had to take her someplace and strip her and then bring her to the lab.But there is still plenty of time.So maybe my friend is correct and she was given an inhaler to protect her lungs and an enema to protect her intestines.
I was suprised by the fact she is really limited to 5 scenes ,and you are correct 4 different cheogsam dresses .First a golden one at her initial meeting with Ardonian,then a green as she and the chinese delegation meet Ardonian.Thirdly a white as she sets her time to meet ardonian to get on the plane .Lastly a red one as she accompanies him to the lab for the completion of the deal.And ,of course,bare assed naked for her date with destiny.
But she really has a small part ,but a unforgetable one .

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By the expression 'give her the works', I was merely refering to the sexualy degrading things that are done to her in the film (stipped naked, man-handled and oggled by a bunch of Ardonian's lackies; turned into a frozen harem girl, given an injection [and possibly an enema]that forces her to have an orgasm, etc..). One of you raises an interesting question; Why do we find Miss Soong so erotic? Several reasons I think:
1. She's a 'Creature of the Orient": i.e. She is exotic; comes from a far away land. Her silky cheongsams, her exotic hair and heavy eye make-up and her accent all make her seem exotic and that, in turn, can be erotic to the Western mind (which has fantacies about the proverbial 'draggon lady' or, in other words, a proud, aggressive and powerful woman of the Orient).
2. She has wide hips and a comparitivly small waist. Women tend to have larger pelvisis (compared to men) and that physical attribute, in turn, tends to make them wriggle when they walk! Put a tight silky cheongsam (with slits on the sides going up to her thighs) on such a women and this will accentuate this tendency to wriggle even further (which is why Miss Soong's walk is so HOT and errotic!!!!!!!!!). It seems like such a little thing but men actually find this sexy; it's programed into our racial memory or DNA. The Beatles celebrated this 'wriggle' walk of the human female in a song they wrote. I beleive the refrane went: "SOMETHING IN THE WAY SHE MOVES....ATTRACTS ME LIKE NO OTHER LOVER. SOMETHING IN THE WAY SHE...MOVES ME. DON'T WANT TO LEAVE HER NOW"...etc. Wonder if John, Pual, George, and Ringo had Miss Soong in mind when they wrote those lyrics!lol
3.Miss Soong seems rather frigid or sexualy repressed. I think she is all work and no play. I think she has sacrificed her love life for her career. Remember when Ardonian tell's her she is beautiful and she replies: "I try not to think about that. It interfears with my work." I think she was being sincere. I think she has sacrificed friendships and love affair type relationships for her career and this has, in turn, made her rather old fashioned. Thus, when she is forced into a sexual situation (being naked in front of Ardonian and his lackies) and she is given the injection and has the orgasm it's almost as if she is experiencing a 'release' of all her heretofor pent-up sexual energy; all the sexual rape fantacies she's been repressing up untill this point. Thus, she sexualy gets off on this experience and the male viewer, in turn, finds this sexy! It has been speculated that she must have had a suger daddy (dispite her talent and ability) for her to have been promoted to power in a patriarchal society such as Red China. I think it's just as possible that she was a capable young woman who came from a rich and influencial anceint Chinese family (the Soong family is an actual Chinese family that has historicaly been very powerful and influencial. Thus, the writers of KTGAMTD probably didn't choose the name 'Soong' for this character by accident)which, in turn, were highly placed in the government and acted as her benifactors; saw that this young women rose to power on Dept. Chairman Ling's staff. Thus, I think, rather then sexualy premiscuous, she was actually rather repressed.
4. Miss Soong feals she is socialy superior to Ardonian's lackies (including the short pudgy little creepy guy who looks like Peter Lorie with a blond buzz-cut). In fact, a woman like Miss Soong is probably 'unatainable' for the average man. Thus, when we see Miss Soong being stripped and degraded by her social inferiors (especially the little blond creepy guy) she, consequently, seems more attainable to the average man. Men always lust after what they can't have. But, when she recieves 'the works' from Ardonian's lackies (her social inferiors), the average male viewer, in a vicarious way, gets to 'give her the works' as well. Thus, the 'unatainable' becomes atainable. That's erotic!
5. Miss Soong is a bit of a 'bad girl' in that she is 'an enemy' of Europe and America (she's planning to do bad things to us). She's something of a threat (indeed a very serious threat). Ergo, to see her double-crossed, betrayed, out-smarted, stripped naked, and rendered a mere 'damsel in destress' or 'harem girl' or 'sex-slave' by Ardonian and his men is thus actually very erotic.
6. I once read a book entitled "THE GOOD WOMEN OF CHINA:Hidden voices". It was written by a Chinese woman who's name, for the moment, escapes me (but I think her name was Xinran Xue). You can do an engene search on Amazon if your interested in looking it up. In that book, the Chinese lady auther said that for a Chinese woman, the most humiliating thing that could happen to her would be to be seen naked in public. I realize China has become more westernized (allowing the bikini on the beach and so on) but certainly in Miss Soong's day, that was still true. The Chinese tend to be sexualy repressed when it comes to showing off their bodies. Thus, the writers of KTGAMTD could not have devised a more humiliating thing to happen to a Chinese woman then being strippid and oggled in public by a bunch of criminals! And, yet, Miss Soong has this orgasm when she recieves the injection (almost as if all that is happening to her is a secret sexual fantacy of her's that, up untill that point, she's been afraid to admit even to herself because of her cultural up-bringing). That whole notion is rather erotic to me; that she's sexualy repressed but, deep down, really enjoying what's happening to her at the hands of her 'social inferiors'. Still, I wonder if the writers of KTGAMTD didn't know about the psycology of Chinese women; about their prudishness when it comes to nudity. It makes me wonder if, they didn't purposely divise a fate for Miss Soong that, given her cultural background, whould be exceptionaly humiliating for her. The question is why? Maybe to arouse American and Europian men? Hmmmmmm. What do you all think? Do you agree or disagree with my impressons about what makes Miss Soong so erotic? Let me know.
As for writing a review, I might, if I ever get the time. I'd want to do a good job though. I'm a terrible speller. But, In the mean time, thanks for the vote of confidence! Oh, and Steve, thanks for the additional info about Deputy Chairman Ling, and how the satilight weapon works. That cleared up a lot of mystery!

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Hi TX-9
I read your posts about the "Dragon Lady" which you suggested we read on some of your theories but I came across this bit referring to the little rascals and one of their episodes.It took me a few minutes to figure it out.But you were reffering to the one where Spanky recites on stage and evrything goes array and his mom tries to rescue him but winds up being humiliated.This short is just plain bizarre.I never thought this one was in any way funny even though the theater audience is in hysterics.The mother has her dress snagged by the rising curtain and struggles to free herself.I always thought that mothers were"off limits" as they were somewhat sacred.Once her dress is on the rise she becomes a sex object as all the men in the audience oggle her.Then to top it off has that ridiculas stage prop placed in front of her with her head on an animals body????? All as her son stands by and must watch this?????
I know from the audience laughter that the viewer is supposed to laugh but this is very disturbing seeing an adult and a mother figure recieve this form of treatment especially in a childrens show.
I read how chinese women feel that being seen naked in public is the worst thing that could happen.
How does this girl feel not to mention her son who sees his mother's head on an animals body??????????

I think something like this could send her son in pyschoanalysis for years to come!!!!

Do you see comedy in this or is it just plain sick??????/

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Thanks for reminding me about that! I deleted all the posts for "BEGINNERS LUCK" on the WILMA SOONG:DRAGON LADY thread as these posts were unabashadly 'off-topic.' To tell you the truth I was responding to someone else who was a fan of the Little Rascals short "BEGINNERS LUCK" and had invited me to come over to the message board for that film and discuss it there. Otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it on the Wilma Soong:dragon lady thread (which I'm considering deleting all togeather as it has pretty much out lived its purpose). I want to talk about KTGAMTD and not the little rascals (no offense)! Do you think KTGAMTD was 'sick' or merely innocent and erotic fun? You've said you like to see Miss Soong 'get the works!' One could make the argument that what was done to Miss Soong came from a rather depraved and racist imagination (couldn't one?). I must admit I have mixed emotions about that. It was certainly erotic but it also seemed targeted against the Chinese and Chinese women in particular (see my earlier posts). I have to admit, it's a bit of a guilty pleasure (as I too enjoy watching Miss Soong get 'the works' in the end.). Seyna Seyn is a very tall, beautiful, shapely woman, after all. And I don't think she was a bad actress at all. Not Oscar or Golden Globe material purhaps but, for the kinds of roles she perfomed, more then satisfactory. On the other hand, racism wasn't unkown in films of that era. The sixties certainly wern't known for being 'politcaly correct'about racial or women's essues. I think we should reflect on this; examine our motives and those of the film makers. Maybe, it's time to kiss the girls goodby!lol! As if! Never happen; I'm addicted! I still feel guilty however.

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Ok I understand ,It seemed to an off topic series of posts and maybe you or someone else were comparing the humiliation factor both women recieved.Now back to KTGAMTD.
Thanks for informing us about this book .I had never that before,i'm not of chinese desent ,but many of my friends are.The friends that are of chinese decent would give no one the impression that they come from a sexually represed background(the guys I mean).I have asked them (the ones who remember the film) if they felt badly as it pictures a chinese girl get humiliated ,they all responded "s$&t NO ".They don't connect thier ancestry to Miss Soong's humiliation.But many say it is a very erotic scene .

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Well, that's good to know (as I also find Miss Soong's nude scenes erotic but had felt guilty about it). Now I don't have to feel so guilty, if, indeed, most Chinese men find it just as erotic as I do! The Chinese woman (Xinran) who wrote the book "THE GOOD WOMEN OF CHINA: Hidden Voices" didn't say that Chinese people were sexualy repressed persay (although, during the era of Mao I think it was rather puritanical in the sense that young lovers weren't allowed to hold hands let alone kiss in public; and all men and women had to whear unisex Mao jackets, things like that. That's the era Miss Soong would have lived in.). Xinran wrote of one Chinese career woman who used her sexuality to get ahead in the work place, for example (I guess this was in the 1990's). Further, one can just look at the l billion strong Chinese population and tell they aren't sexualy repressed. Sheesh! However, Xinran did insist that, typicaly, a Chinese woman couldn't emagine a more humiliating fate then being seen (let alone focibly stripped) completely nude in public. However, I also have had Chinese friends in recent years (Chinese people who actualy come from the Peoples Republic of China!) and they have told me that this is less and less so these days (with Chinese girls on the beach in skimpy swimwhear, etc. and the introduction of nude-life drawing classes in Chinese art schools durring the late seventies or eighties, etc). So maybe this is something that's changed in the last decade or two. But, in 1966, at the hight of the Cultural Revolution, this 'prudishness' about 'public nudity' on the part of most (not all but most) Chinese women was still probably true. And the woman who wrote the aformentioned book probably still had it spot on about most women in China (in the 1990's). Thus, the writers of KTGAMTD couldn't have engeneared a more humiliating fate for Miss Soong (the fact that Chinese men living today in the west find this just as erotic as Western men of an occidental background, not withstanding.). As for Miss Soong being sexualy repressed; she herself said she trys not to think about her beauty as it "gets in the way of her work." However, she might have just been toying with Ardonian; she may have had lots of lovers in China for all we know. It just occurred to me that having an orgasm over recieving an injection is a little odd!lol It occured to me that this might be the result of pent up sexual tension desperate for a release (and a masochistic enjoyment [on Soong's part] at the way she's been treated might explain this). But who knows.

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I, too, seem to be joining this forum late due to the database listing the movie under its original Italian title.

Ardonian tells the British female agent that the cryogenic machines were origionaly designed to keep possible future spaceship crews alive for long interplanatary or even intersteller voyages. Had he actually developed the technology to the point wear he could not merely freeze the girls but actually revive them at some future date?
To put in my two cents worth on the freezing/unfreezing issue:
Since the freezing technology was supposed to have been developed for spaceship crews, I have to assume that safely unfreezing the astronauts at the end of the voyage had to be built into the cryogenic machines.

And if anyone finds this film available on DVD, please let me know.

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