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Hawaii Then, Hawaii Now


I saw this on A & E last night and I also remember seeing it in high school when I lived in Hawaii. I thought it was done well. But these thoughts stand out for me:

1) Diseases brought in from the white man were tragic, and seeing the Hawaiians trying to cool off in the water while they were dying was sad.

2) Being a whaler when all those naked wahines came swimming up to the boat must have been nice.

3) The priest gets his ass kicked 3 times in this movie, Surprisingly he didn't end up killed each time.

4) The word "Haole" is used in the movie. This later becomes a derogitory word for "white person" and almost (but not quite) as bad as the N word for blacks. Many white people were subjected to this name in Hawaii and learned to hate the word. I hate most political correctness, but a fact is most would much rather be called a white or caucasian than "haole".

5) Despite the vulgerness of the above term I find this movie has the best annunciation of pidgeon language, which is a slang used by many locals there similar to the "surfer dude" lingo used by laid back Californians. The other movies and TV series based in Hawaii feature some really awful attempts at pidgeon. "North Shore" stands out as horrible on both circuits in that respect.

6) Sovereignty is a big issue with many modern Hawaiians. Some of them say they dislike ever becoming a state and want for the "old" days. The argument against them is that these white men could have come in with their more modernized weapons and made them slaves or killed them off which is sad but true. Now, I see that if the white man had not sailed over and "forced" his religeon on them, many Hawaiians would still be performing incest! Sorry, but you take the bad with the "good" if you want it that way now!

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Just a few responses:

"4) The word 'Haole' is used in the movie. This later becomes a derogitory word for 'white person' and almost (but not quite) as bad as the N word..."

What most people either neglect to mention or don't know about is the abuse of the Hawaiian word "kanaka" by whites. Whites used it toward Hawaiians as the equivalent to the 'N' word! And this use wasn't recent, like the change in the use of "haole" has been..."kanaka" was used in a derogatory way by whites for more than 100 years.

With the beginnings of the Hawaiian Renaissance of the 1970s and 1980s, and the birth of the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement, Hawaiians made a conscious effort to reclaim "kanaka," and it once again is used properly as "person."

"5) Despite the vulgerness of the above term [haole] I find this movie has the best annunciation of pidgeon language..."

While many modern Hawaiians speak some form of pidgin, pidgin in Hawaii is mostly derived from the speech of Asian plantation workers and whites in the mid- to late-19th century, with little contribution from Hawaiians. In the movie, the Hawaiian characters have what might be more appropriately described as an accent, but there's very little pidgin spoken. Also, the two main Hawaiian characters are not played by Hawaiian actors...Jocelyne LaGarde was Tahitian, and Manu Tupou was from Fiji.

"6)...many Hawaiians would still be performing incest"

Incest was not common. It was sometimes practiced amongst the highest chiefly families, whose offspring were deemed to have no peer beyond their own siblings. Anyone "lesser" would diminish the status of the family and offspring before the gods and the people.

It is the Western fascination with sexuality that has falsely elevated the importance and frequency of incest in the society of old Hawaii. It is this same fascination that has focused upon and exaggerated Hawaiian sexual behavior. A similar Western fascination with violence and cruelty has exaggerated and/or fabricated reports of cannibalism, human sacrifice, infanticide and more.

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To Let Interested Parties Know:

I purchased the long-awaited dvd of "Hawaii" last weekend and, sure enough, it is only the 161 minute version. Although the transfer is technically a very good one, it is too disappointing to sit through, knowing that the video release has 27 minutes of excised footage. The single sequence that suffers the most cutting is the voyage/storm at sea episodes and, in the aggregate, many brief but telling moments in which Jerusha confronts Abner's exteme fundamentalism. This cutting weakens the impact of their relationship and undermines her keen, pre-feminist intelligence and willingness to challenge him publicly (and privately) in her own way. [I always think that Jerusha would have eventually gone the way of Unitarianism, in sharp contrast to Abner's staunch Calvinism.] Too much small but revelatory detail is sacrificed through this cutting, although it may not adversely affect the overall storyline for someone who has never before seen the film. It is also a cheaply produced package without so much as a single insert of liner notes or scene breakdown.

There is, however, a lovely 10-minute "making of 'Hawaii' featurette" which I had never seen before and, therefore, makes the purchase worthwhile. It features some "backstage scenes" footage and contemporaneous narration by Julie Andrews and even shows her clowning around on set rather charmingly.

In all, disappointing and possibly an unintended reflection of the recent troubles at the now-defunct MGM-UA label. I would keep a lookout for the full version as shown occasionally on TNT. By the way, the dvd does allow one to include or overlook the Overture and Exit Music, but does not include an option for the Entr'acte.

"Thank you, thank you--you're most kind. In fact you're every kind."

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Re the featurette: Julie's narration was from 1966. I know this because I was fortunate enough to see this on TV way back when. I just got the DVD last night and I agree with everything you've said and then some. The botched, 161 minute version dilutes Julie's character to almost a supporting role. It really is a crime that this DVD wasn't the complete, roadshow version. Now that the MGM/UA library has been sold, it's up in the air as to whether the 189 minute version will ever be released on DVD. Let's hope so. "Hawaii" has been restored twice already - once for the laser disc release (which might not have been suited for DVD transfer) and once again in the mid-1990s by WRS Film Labs, which produced a new "negative". The original negative has been lost. Glenn Erickson, the DVD Savant, has taken an interest in all this and let's hope Sony does the right thing.

Lois Regen ([email protected])

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Thanks for the info on the DVD release...I almost bought one.

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"Incest was not common. It was sometimes practiced amongst the highest chiefly families, whose offspring were deemed to have no peer beyond their own siblings. Anyone "lesser" would diminish the status of the family and offspring before the gods and the people.

It is the Western fascination with sexuality that has falsely elevated the importance and frequency of incest in the society of old Hawaii. It is this same fascination that has focused upon and exaggerated Hawaiian sexual behavior. A similar Western fascination with violence and cruelty has exaggerated and/or fabricated reports of cannibalism, human sacrifice, infanticide and more"


Amen - who has practiced incest more than the Dupont family in Delaware. They have their own insane asylum because of all of the inbreeding.

Just to keep all that money "in the family."

It's always sickened me how Westerners (particularly Americans) consider themselves superior to every other civilization in the world and try to push their "values" on everyone else (Iraq comes to mind).

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Pity that all the filming locations used on Hawaii aren't listed here on imdb; (just listed as Hawaii, USA) In the "Making Of" on the dvd, it DOES specify the main village was on Makua Beach, Oahu. As pretty, colorful, and amazing as hawai'i is NOW... it must have been just incredible (if primitive) 50 and 100 yrs ago. I was there on vacation a few years back, and many of the plantations and lands behind the beaches are all getting condominium-ized and shopping mall-erated. Hopefully the Hawai'ians are setting land aside as protected land. It would be especially interesting to compare the photos in the 1919 travelogue of "Hawaii" to the spots in this movie (1966), and to what they look like today.
-- ksf-2

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