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Horrible Music in the Clubs


Hollywood in the mid and late sixties, up until Easy Rider finally changed the mindset, had this tendency to create their own "rock" music for their movies that were horn based, lacked vocals and were more poppy than rocky. Someone in another comment called it "neutered for the over 40 crowd."

But what really BUGS me in this film is that Harper is in a club, they have a band with long hair playing guitars, there are young people dancing like crazy, and they have this horns neutered pop music instead of real rock yet there are NO horns in the band.

I mean come on! Its on thing to have that terrible music replace the real rock of the time, but it's another thing to have the sound of horns when the band is only guitars.

I wonder if this was a later change by the producers and that the film at first had real guitar rock in those scene?

Did this bother anyone else? Does anyone know anything about if the producers or studio changed the music?

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Yes and this is why I came to this board. This was very typical in both 60s TV and films. Shows like 'The Munsters' did show case new acts but this was rare (outside of the Monkees). Newman has a new following amongst the younger 'hip set' these days but back then, his 'audience' was primarily more mature adults.
They wouldn't have tolerated harder rock (not that any of this could be considered 'rock'). There was also an expense tied to using rock/pop songs of that era and the 'sell out' label could be instant death for any rock and roll band that was concerned about its image.
For as long as I can remember I've been cringing over scenes like the one in this movie. I'm an old man now but my tastes haven't changed dramatically over the years.
As far as the long haired guitar band with horns from nowhere - yeah, I was wondering about that too.Maybe the music was dubbed in after some snag with a record co. whatever. It was the 'Napster' legal issue of the day. For a second there I thought the one dude looked like Brian Jones late of the Stones.
Another cringe worthy part of film making/tv during the 60s was the 'hippy' wardrobe/hair. Nothing like seeing some 30 year old with a heavy beard in a blonde womans wig, shaggy vest and striped pull over shirt to make your head spin. Sonny Bono, RIP, was the only 'rock and roller' that actually dressed that way - it was 'him' but he always appeared to me to be one of these studio made types. Kids back then were more likely to spend their $ on albums or concerts rather than Paul Newman flix so the studios/producers/directors knew their market. Besides, do you think Lauren Bacall would have anything to do with a movie that played Jefferson Airplanes/insert almost any long haired bands music ?? Don't think Newman was a big rocker either.

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As a teen at the time, I can tell you Newman had a huge following among kids, particularly starting from The Hustler through the end of the 60s. .

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Thanks, Ironman. I remember that a lot of sitcoms in the mid 60s would bring on a real rock act. It seemed like it was always Peter and Gordon! I'm pretty sure I remember them being on Dick Van Dyke and the Patty Duke Show.

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That was Chad & Jeremy on "The Dick Van Dyke Show", spoofing the British Invasion frenzy of the Sixties. I'm not sure about "The Patty Duke Show".

Chad & Jeremy also took on roles as con artists in "Laredo", in which they might have performed at least one song if I recall correctly.

Amazingly, The Seeds performed on "The Mothers-in-Law" as a bad rock group!

I agree about the music generally used in club scenes in movies. We see The Zombies on a TV set in "Bunny Lake Is Missing", and The Mindbenders perform as a band of high schoolers in "To Sir, With Love". However, REAL rock wasn't too common. I agree about the cost of including it.

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Chad & Jeremy also took on roles as con artists in "Laredo", in which they might have performed at least one song if I recall correctly. - MystMoonstruck

Chad and Jeremy also appeared in Batman with Catwoman stealing their voices in "The Cat's Meow" and "The Bat's Kow-Tow." Spoiler: They got them back and sang "Distant Shores" and "Teenage Failure" at the end. Even Aunt Harriet like them.

Amazingly, The Seeds performed on "The Mothers-in-Law" as a bad rock group!

Glad to see they weren't cast against type. Oh, is that "Pushin' Too Hard"?

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I loved reading your explanation of this - dead on! These were Hollywood Hippies, for sure.

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If you want to see horrible Hollywood hippies, watch the Peter Sellers movie the Party. It makes me ashamed to have been living at the same time that movie was made.

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This unfortunately was fairly typical of Hollywood's portrayal of the club scene in the early and mid-'60s – they tried to capture the "look," but the sound was way off.

I didn't mind it though, because this film has its own quirky charm and that's part of it. "Harper" is sort of wedged between the cocktail circuit of the early part of the decade and the counterculture part of the latter half. It's both hip and square.

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They didn't even bother to plug the guitars in. I think they always planned to dub in other music.

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The music all seemed to be some Herb Alpert Go-Go influenced dreck; plus all the dancers seen looked they they should have been in a cage wearing a fringed dress.

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SweetHotAngel is right on. I love night club scenes in '60s movies! They are a great source of unintended humor. Johnny Mandel is a huge talent. Check out his credits and you will find he wrote and arranged for some great jazz singers and big bands. Even Count Basie. And, he wrote the theme from "M*A*S*H and "The Shadow of Your Smile". He won an Oscar and a Grammy. But, ask him for night club dance music and he writes something like the theme from the Dating Game."

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Yes, Hollywood was totally clueless about almost anything to do with rock, youth, the emerging counter culture, etc. Of course they were a bunch of old men, so what could they know?

My nominee for "Worst Hollywood Hippies" is the gang that appears toward the end of With Six You Get Eggroll (Doris Day's last film),when the movie switches gears from a mild family drama to a total farce. They seem to be the gang of idiotic bikers from the Beach Blanket films with long haired fright wigs on. Oddly, in this fi, I lm the club scene is hip enough to feature a real rocking performance by the Grassroots. In fact I thought, "What is Doris Day doing in a club like this?"

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I know this is a very late response, but the simple fact of the matter is that the studios could not, or did not want to, pay for decent music. This is a common theme (musically) with movies and television from the mid-sixties; horrible imitations of the popular music of the day.

One never gets used to it.

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Buffalo Springfield appeared in an early episode of "Mannix." They were featured in a scene in a so-called campus hangout.

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The rock group in ''Harper'' was ''The Enemies''. They most certainly were dubbed. They REALLY performed their own music in ''Riot On Sunset Strip''. And one of the group (Cory Wells) went on to play in ''Three Dog Night''.

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I remember The Standells on the Munsters, and, I think, another band performing I Wanna Hold Ayour Hand. Just saw Petulia, which showcased Janis (w/Big Brother) and Zthe Dead....but I agree, the usual "rock music" in sixties films is just ridiculous! I think of it as "Brady Bunch" music. Probably first heard it there as far as I remember.

I thought the exact same thing in Harper - where are the horns!.?!

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Often there was no music playback during these club scenes as the film would not have been scored as yet. The extras and principles would be dancing like mad, often way off the beat. The producer(s) would want something generic and cheap.
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Whenever I hear source music, particularly from the '60s and early '70s, from the likes of composers like Jerry Goldsmith, Morton Stevens, or Jerry Fielding I often get the impression that they are lampooning the then-popular rock music with some wild, over-the-top compositions. I usually notice this when listening to said cues on a stand-alone listen.

I believe that these middle-aged guys, while hip in their own way and time period, didn't think much of the "Yeah Yeah Yeah" school of musical composition. Goldsmith's FLINT source music is a good example, as is Fielding's "Psychedelic Blues Rock Freak Out Music" from The Mechanic. After all, rock music (R.I.P.) was the bane of these guys' existence, was it not?

It's great stuff. I always wanted to live in a world where I could switch on the radio, get the last few sentences of a "News Flash" and then have an instrumental source cue from the likes of Lalo Schifrin smoothly making its way through the room.

In the '60s, there was that "generation gap." Now with fifty years of rock music in the pop culture memory, three of four generations have been immersed in and become familiar with rock, and now rap and techno.

Nowadays, it might be hard to imagine the culture conflict that existed during Elvis and the Beatles' heyday, but for every "A Hard Day's Night" that reached the top of the charts, there was an "Everybody Loves Somebody" and "Please Release Me" to take its place. There was enough of an "older" audience that still bought records and they would occasionally make their (sales) presence known.

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All true(above) and one more thing:

In one of the clubs, when Newman first meets with Julie Harris in a booth, the music "switches" to the same Herb Alpert-y dance music that bikini-clad Pamela Tiffin is dancing to at the swimming pool.

I guess it was meant to be "the big hit at the time."

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