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this movie will teach you how to fight...

posted 19 years ago by a_hat_trick
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First, if you are behind your target, give a good yell so he'll know it's you that's killing him. Seriously, they won't have time to react. Second, always hold your sword as high over your head as you can, even have the blade pointing behind you if you can, and always, always run straight for the target like this. Third, if the opponent is pulling his sword out of some slob's chest, be sure not to rush him. Speaking of rushing, don't ever rush in a group towards a superior opponent on a rampage. Finally, when all else seems to fail, toss pillows at your opponent.

[–] brian-1044 19 years ago

LOL Thats Great!!! There was that old SNL skip about just that, too much fun :D

[–] mail-1138 19 years ago

Why would I even respond to such gross ignorance as yours? So that others who read your message won't be completely dissapointed in the capacity of man to think and respect a piece of art.
Humor is fine, but your humor is based in the type of asinine ignorance that causes people to have disdain for the western world and it's miopic view of anything that's not exploding, filled with cilicone or dripping with hydrogenated oils.
You should be ashamed of yourself, but ignorance knows no shame.

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[–] ghostgeneratrix 19 years ago

damn kid... he/shes gotta point. Notice they dont say one bloody thing bout the movie in itself just the misdirection of every attack. which is all to common for 60 flicks. Grow.

[–] atli_viking 18 years ago

I love all good humour no matter what or who it degrades, even if i disagree on the subject.

[–] a_hat_trick 18 years ago

You really need to relax. I liked the movie, I was making fun of a part of it. The idea that this reflects some cultural ignorance is absurd. Get off your soapbox before you get splinters.

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[–] cota-2 18 years ago

Just wanted to tell you I love the fight scenes in this and in kurosawa's movies. The directors are just aiming to accomplish different things with them. Okamoto is trying to depict and stylize the rage and savage aggression of Ryunosuke, while Kurosawa is more interested in conveying a realistic depiction of violence and conflict to his audience.

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[–] cota-2 18 years ago

The extras "kind refusal to engage him more than one at a time" is actually based in reality. Not only would the other fighters have been deeply ashamed to attack him at once, there's also a more practical reason. Four of five guys with swords rushing a single opponent are much more likely to cut each other than their opponent, especially when that opponent has any degree of skill.

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[–] ronismonis 17 years ago

Wow mail-1138. that was the most overblown reaction to an innocent comment

They calls me KGSoloMan5000..

[–] whalleywhat 16 years ago

Calm the funk down, dude. It was a funny joke. This is an excellent film, but the battles aren't exactly realistic.

[–] tjantus 18 years ago

That's the way I like 'em. Candy. The examples you point out are certainly correct. Remember, this is a movie, and it must be choreographed as such to demonstrate the lead character's prowess with the sword. It must film well to be action-packed and exciting for the audience to watch. The moments where the swordsmanship is really interesting to watch is the match that becomes a duel, the intensity in the posture of the two antagonists. And when Ryunosuke visits the kendo dojo and tries to get Shimada to "teach" him. Of course the big fight scenes were staged on an overly dramatic manner. But was he really fighting all of those Shinsengumi for real, or were they all in his mind?

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[–] nickoten 18 years ago

Pretty much, I don't have a problem with him fighting so many people at once, but I find fault with the choreography, not in that it was unbelievable, but in that it really didn't do a good job of covering up the unlikely.

And mail-1138, get over yourself, Jesus.

[–] madhiker 18 years ago

Yes I got a dirty look by yelling "pillow fight!" but I just couldn't help myself.

[–] Glamdring-The-Foe-Hammer 18 years ago

A agree with cota2. Even though the fight scenes are unrealistic (this is a movie). Attacking on mass wasn't honorable to a samurai. Ninja or bandits sure, but even in large scale battles samurai used to annouce their name and then draw swords to fight. It was like hundreds of duels all over the battlefield.

[–] bsrain 18 years ago

So why did they throw pillows at him? At first, I thought it was just the guys on the set throwing them out there so that if any of the stunt guys or the star fell, they would have some extra padding.

[–] Bandersnatch1 17 years ago

They couldn't slice or stab him to death so they all tried to smother him from afar.

[–] fromredbird 17 years ago

They threw the pillows at him to disrupt his footing once they realized his sword skill was far superlative to theirs. Although in some parts of the scene there wasn't enough room for more than one or two swordsmen to approach him there was in other parts and if they were going to do something like try to trip up his footing there is no reason why they shouldn't rush him enmasse. The scene could have been made more realistic but it wasn't and it's too late to re-shoot it now.

The most unfortunate part of the film is that the subsequent serials were never done or even better if this had originally been done as a single film.

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[–] madh83 17 years ago

it was also filmed in the 60's people! Probably when choreography was relatively new. That pillow scene was hilarious though, and I don't know if its credible that wars in japan were fight with everyone just dueling each other....sounds kind of ridiculous. I'd like to see some historical reference on that one.

[–] Glamdring-The-Foe-Hammer 17 years ago

My information comes from books like the following

http://www.amazon.com/Musashi-Epic-Novel-Samurai-Era/dp/4770019572/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-4621177-2647958
http://www.amazon.com/Taiko-Novel-Glory-Feudal-Japan/dp/4770026099

They would announce their name and what family they belonged to before they fought. This was in the older days of Feudal Japan, and was done away with later especially after the mongolian invasions I'm sure if you looked harder you could find more sources as well.

Like this

http://www.dragon-tsunami.org/Dtimes/Pages/article22.htm

The Mongolian invasions altered the way Japanese warriors fought in battle. Before the invasions, all battles were fought one-on-one, regardless of the number of troops on each side. When the battle began, a warrior from one side would step forward and announce his name, family, and title. A warrior from the opposing side with equivalent qualification and skill would then step forward to accept the challenge and announce his name, family, and title. If the opposition was considered fair and worthy, a face-to-face combat would begin. After the bout, the winner would return to his army, while the loser's remains would be withdrawn from the battlefield. The next warrior would then step forward and another bout would begin. This process was repeated until one side conceeded defeat. However, this traditional form of Japanese fighting etiquette did not work against the Mongolian army, which attacked with numbers. New tactics had to be implemented.

[–] BuckarooRoboBanzai 17 years ago

Like the guy above said it's samurai etiquette, you'll find watching all samurai films that they attack one at a time, it's about honour (regardless of how many rapes take place... just watch any babycart film).

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[–] Mooshaminkin 17 years ago

Actually, in most respects doug has hit the nail bang on the head. I have no idea how something to big enough to cause mail to go on such a meaningless confusing rant managed to get stuck up his backside.

This film is good but there were some parts in fight scenes that were hard to make sense of, particularly parts where the guy seemed to get kills from too close a range and at an impossible angle. Some of the kills just weren't plausible.

Also, if it's dishonerable for them to attack all at once, why didn't they just queue up?

[–] walruseater 17 years ago

LOL. Read this post before I saw the end of the movie. When I saw those pillows being tossed it all made sense. Laughed my ass off! Great flick.

[–] the_ktt 16 years ago

HAHAH great one doughess.

[–] g_monte 15 years ago

I agree completely with the OP. It was a pretty good movie up until the silly climax. If you're going to stab someone with a sword from behind make sure you yell "Aaaaaaa!" so they know you're coming and can turn around and slash you. And if a group of people are trying to kill a single person don't do the logical thing by having several people attack him at once. Make sure you go one at a time so he can kill each of you. If it's "samurai etiquette" to attack one at a time wouldn't it also be samurai etiquette to attack face-to-face rather than from behind?

[–] maddox-richard 13 years ago

great post! It's one of my favourite films but the pillow throwing gets me each time... Was looking for a way to sneak the pillows scene on to the message boards without suggesting to people who hadn't seen it what a brilliant movie they had in store...