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Sadly, some people think BLOWUP and its fans are full of it ...


I've seen this on various threads, on IMDb and elsewhere... I'd love to just chalk it up to modern audiences' "short attention spans" but there have been detractors since the movie came out in 1966 (as there always are).

I guess it's inevitable when you have a movie like BLOWUP, with its ambivalent narrative and its long silent sequences and its odd detachment, that some viewers will invoke that dreadful word "pretentious" and accuse the people who appreciate the movie of being pretentious in their appreciation of its pretentiousness.

The root of pretentious is pretend, isn't it?

And I've certainly seen movies, critically-acclaimed ones, which I indeed found horribly pretentious and found its fans to be so too, watching themselves "enjoy" the questionable artisitic merits of a movie which clearly doesn't warrant it.

And that can make your skin crawl.

So it happens... I just don't think BLOWUP is one that deserves that dismissal, but it's also precisely the kind of picture that's going to get it anyway.

And when you start using terms like "subtext" and "resonance" and "palpable angst" you really tend to lose people already skeptical of this kind of a movie. But the intimacy achieved in BLOWUP, the all-too-rare cinematic sense of being-in-the-moment (even though its lead character is a bit of a jerk, which doesn't matter at all) wouldn't come off if the story was faster, louder, more concrete, more logical, or more linear.

In fact, when you see a film like this, you're reminded of how rarely a picture ever manages to do this, or even really attempt it. And certainly its relative quiet is what makes it such an effective mid-'60s time capsule (and that may be what I love best about it, because there's nothing more mid-'60s than London).

But it's just not the kind of material or tone or approach that everybody is going to like, or even believe others genuinely like without having to lie about it.

That's frustrating, but it's just how it is.

And, to be honest, I'm not sure that such a film would work as well from an era other than the 1960s, historical crossroads that it was. I've seen similar attempts from other decades, and they usually don't have the same resonance even when they're from skilled filmmakers. (Oops. I said "resonance").

But it may be the same thing that also made the '60s such a good decade for horror: you just feel like there's a dead body laying around someplace you accidentally photographed. And a shooter. A shooter somewhere in the misty copse. One you don't consciously notice until later.

And maybe that's the vibe: voyeuristic paranoia -- are you the watcher or are you being watched?

The scenes in the park in BLOWUP always make me think of the scenes in the cemetery at the start of NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD. One's just slightly less paranoid than the other. But in either case you're convinced that CIA/MI6 spooks are hovering right outside the window, and you might be right.

Or something like that.

And yet they're both strangely soothing somehow... hovering, poignant without obvious reason, as if they're frozen inside a moment, frozen except for the wind, and staring into the face of eternity.

And, I ask you, what's more '60s --- or pretentious --- than that?





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I was waiting for "pseudo-intellectual"... That is a common one. People will take from this film what they will.

Thomas is an alpha male. To many, he's part bast@rd, part wanker. Isn't this a stereotype most men either secretly want to be or love to hate? He can get beautiful women any time he wants. He treats 'em mean to keep 'em keen. Among the thousands of impressionable teenage girls who aspired to be fashion models in the 1960s, he has status. He exudes power and they feel forced to do "whatever it takes". Sadly, the fashion business has changed little since then but there are probably fewer Thomases. They seem to have been replaced by fashion designers. The girls are still being treated badly.

But Thomas in in for a rough day.

It really starts when the woman from the park turns up at his studio. He's still in control but he has already lost a chess piece because she knows where he lives. The negotiation is only partially successful and clearly incomplete. He is, in part, trying to buy time.

Then he discovers something unexpected and finds his entire world turned upside down. So much so that his reaction is to see it refracted only through what he knows. His entire identity is challenged and he is dealing with something he has never encountered before. His shock reaction reduces something terrible to "something fantastic". He is way outside of his comfort zone and he really doesn't know what to do. His confidence shot, he returns to the park to confirm what he already knows.

In this regard, Antonioni is posing a question to the viewer: what would you do? There is no right or wrong answer.

On returning, he finds the girl next door having sex with the painter. His disappointment is palpable. She is the one he can't have and for a man like Thomas, that is a problem.

Then his discovery that the pictures have disappeared make him feel totally violated. Thomas is now on the losing end and for the first time, feels vulnerable. The crushed purple cyclorama from his wild session with the two girls, is prominently placed.

He turns to Ron, who is so wasted as to be incoherent. Thomas finally gives up and goes home. His final return to the park leaves him questioning what it was all about. Did it really happen? Antonioni doesn't answer this.

The whole mood of this film leaves a lot of room for questions. The street which was painted red, the lack of people in one of the most crowded cities in the world, the silence... For many, it doesn't end well because it isn't resolved.

I first saw this film when I was about 17 and I was blown away by it. I still am. It was the first arthouse film to make any impression on me at all and it was like a brick through a window. I loved the way it climbed into the mind of someone who, having defined his identity as "a photographer" (he affirms this more than once) and using his power over women for self-aggrandisement, suddenly finds many of the things he takes for granted swept away. His identity is under threat.

It was also a film which shaped my life because I saw the challenges and possibilities of photography as a profession. Yes, the models were an attraction but there was so much more. Thirty years later, I am still looking for new ideas and concepts to shoot. That is not a coincidence. Is this where I say "resonance"? :D

Part existentialist, part film noir, it is still one of the top five films I have ever seen and I enjoy it more each time I see it.

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I'm guessing you already know this but Thomas is said to have been based on David Bailey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bailey

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by jd-276;

"I was waiting for "pseudo-intellectual"... That is a common one. People will take from this film what they will."

With the rise of superhero movies and other spoon fed stories, there is a hostile tribe on the internet who will attack any film which is not simplistic.
Such is life.

* "Blow-Up" can be interpreted in multiple ways of course.
So, my view is particular to me.
If anyone disagrees with my interpretation, that's fine.

"Thomas is an alpha male. To many, he's part bast@rd, part wanker. Isn't this a stereotype most men either secretly want to be or love to hate?"

This is one of the keys to the film for me.
As Thomas states in the movie, he does not like what he is doing.
He thinks that money would solve all his problems but that is doubtful.
(He already seems to make lots of money.)
Thomas fought with a crowd for a broken guitar but then he threw it away as junk.
His life is emptly because he is empty of passion for something in life.

"He can get beautiful women any time he wants."

But he is bored by it.

* And this relates to the mimes which are seen in the beginning of "Blow-Up".
For me they are Antonioni's representation of the absurdity of a life based on fad consumerism and meaningless sex.
- As Dylan wrote; "life is but a joke".
And Thomas' fad world that we see in the movie is an empty joke.

"Then he discovers something unexpected and finds his entire world turned upside down. So much so that his reaction is to see it refracted only through what he knows."

That is the apparent murder.
Many professional critics focus on reality and illusion with "Blow Up".
- My view however is that this portion of the film is about meaning.
Thomas for the first time has found something to do that he cares about.

"Then his discovery that the pictures have disappeared...

Thomas finally gives up and goes home. His final return to the park leaves him questioning what it was all about..."

My view is that once the evidence that Thomas had for a murder has disappeared, then he had a choice.
He could try to pursue the situation further by getting help in tracking down who robbed him.
- Another option is that since Thomas felt a passion for solving a crime, he could change his career to something which had more meaning to him.
- But it is pretty clear that Thomas completely "gives up".
He gives up on pursuing a deeper meaning, feeling for what he is doing.
Thomas will slide back into his mundane existence of empty experiences.

And so the return of the mimes and the illusion of a tennis game.
A fake game for a fake life.

Imo at least.

"I first saw this film when I was about 17 and I was blown away by it."

I also saw "Blow-Up" when I was young.
I knew a guy who was a college student at the time and asked him about the film.
He told me that the ending was a theater of the absurd.
I thought about that and eventually came up with my interpretation.

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Good points.

I agree that Thomas is bored but I think he's bored by some things and not others. He still gets some fulfilment out of the pictures he takes but I think he's definitely bored by the vapidities of fashion, which makes him the big money. He's happy with the pictures he takes at the beginning of the film but he's bored by celebrities. Of course, that's what pays for his Rolls Royce so he keeps doing it.

There are some interesting YouTube clips about people like David Bailey, Terence Donovan, Brian Duffy and John Cowan which are worth watching if you can find the time. They all had Rollers and shot fashion for Vogue and the like. In the end, they became as famous as the models they shot. While the character is based on Bailey, the scene with Verushka is apparently "pure Cowan". Bailey really did pay £8 for a propeller!

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jd-276; as I mentioned I realize my interpretation is unusual and has not been mentioned by any professional critic I've seen.

"I agree that Thomas is bored but I think he's bored by some things and not others. He still gets some fulfilment out of the pictures he takes but I think he's definitely bored by the vapidities of fashion, which makes him the big money."

Thomas certainly has talent.
But my view is overall he still has an emptyness with his career and his life.
- Could he be a fine art photographer? That would mean a drastic downgrade in his standard of living.
What then is more important to Thomas, lots of money or having a life with more purpose that he deeply cares about?
I think the film touches on that and has a negative subtext when at the end Thomas continues his less meaningful choice.

"There are some interesting YouTube clips about people like David Bailey, Terence Donovan, Brian Duffy and John Cowan which are worth watching if you can find the time. They all had Rollers and shot fashion for Vogue and the like. In the end, they became as famous as the models they shot. While the character is based on Bailey, the scene with Verushka is apparently "pure Cowan". Bailey really did pay £8 for a propeller!"

Thanks for the suggestions.
I do look at some fashion photography since I've been a subscriber to Vanity Fair magazine for about 30 years.
But it's not a core interest of mine which partly explains why I focus on the existential issues with "Blow-Up".

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Thomas certainly has talent.
But my view is overall he still has an emptyness with his career and his life.
- Could he be a fine art photographer? That would mean a drastic downgrade in his standard of living.
What then is more important to Thomas, lots of money or having a life with more purpose that he deeply cares about?


Without wishing to blow myself up, that's the very thing I'm wrestling with at the moment. The stuff I shoot for a living does nothing for me and there's no room to pursue the things I want to, other than outside of my normal work. So that's what I do. The problem is that it doesn't pay the bills. The boring, unfulfilling stuff does - more or less.

Your assessment of the film is not that far removed from mine. It's just an exchange of perspectives. And I totally agree with your observation of the existential issues in the film.

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by jd-276;

"Without wishing to blow myself up, that's the very thing I'm wrestling with at the moment. The stuff I shoot for a living does nothing for me and there's no room to pursue the things I want to, other than outside of my normal work. So that's what I do. The problem is that it doesn't pay the bills. The boring, unfulfilling stuff does - more or less."

I appreciate you sharing.

"Your assessment of the film is not that far removed from mine. It's just an exchange of perspectives. And I totally agree with your observation of the existential issues in the film."

Some of my favorite films, which are the most intriguing, are those which hold up a mirror to the audience to uncover dilemas in the human condition.
In the work of Antonioni, Bergman, Fellini, and even in a couple of movies by Ridley Scott and Woody Allen, there are films which break through the denial and expose 'the man behind the curtain'.
The deceiver, not for others, but to ourselves.

For me this gets back to the topic of the thread, the derogatory things that some people believe about fans of "Blow-Up".
Why?
If fans of this movie (and other films that comment on the human condition) receive abuse, part of that imo is because many people are repulsed by self refection.
(And the discomfort with films that lead to a self examination by the viewer or the picking apart of the film medium itself which usually goes back to the tropes / cliches accepted by the viewer which are again based on self deception).
- It's easier for many to ignore or deny an existential crisis than to face it.

But for me I am reminded of a quote that is attributed to Socrates;

"The unexamined life is not worth living."

I'd add that for some an examined life is impossible to avoid.
But at the same time it is often not easy to live with such self examination.

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If fans of this movie (and other films that comment on the human condition) receive abuse, part of that imo is because many people are repulsed by self refection.


I think it's all part of not wanting to think too hard. You can only understand what Thomas is thinking by asking yourself how you would feel in those circumstances, all the while understanding that he has different motives and moral values. That requires empathy.

Not everyone has the capacity for reflective thought and on top of that, even those who have it don't always want to use it.

(And the discomfort with films that lead to a self examination by the viewer or the picking apart of the film medium itself which usually goes back to the tropes / cliches accepted by the viewer which are again based on self deception).


Which is why some people take a somewhat absolutist view that film is supposed to be escapist. If that's their thing, good luck to them. I prefer something more challenging. You obviously do too and I suspect that while we might not get as many laughs, we probably get more out of the medium than most. If that engenders hostility on the part of others - the ones who think we Blow Up fans are full of it - then it probably reflects more about them than us. As you said...

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I think it's all part of not wanting to think too hard. You can only understand what Thomas is thinking by asking yourself how you would feel in those circumstances, all the while understanding that he has different motives and moral values. That requires empathy.

Not everyone has the capacity for reflective thought and on top of that, even those who have it don't always want to use it.

It's either their not wanting to think too hard, or it's their not wanting to think differently (which, for a lot of folks, qualifies as "too hard").

For me, the appeal of BLOW UP -- and some of my favorite other films -- is its under-produced, organic quality (a description which would probably be labeled "pretentious" in itself). The reason BLOW UP is such a terrific portal to 1966 London, and indeed it is, is not only what it does do, but what it doesn't do (and it doesn't scream at you in the way films from the last twenty years, in particular, tend to do).

It's the difference between being in-the-moment, and furiously trying to avoid doing so, for some odd reason.

Yes, I can see how a film being too in-the-moment can run the legitimate risk of being legitimately "boring" (and the filmmaker's skill is required to balance that) but a film constantly screaming at you can also be de-sensitizing to the point of being quite boring.

But not everybody gets that.



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If fans of this movie (and other films that comment on the human condition) receive abuse, part of that imo is because many people are repulsed by self refection.

Yes, I'm afraid that's the gist of it.

Which is why reflexively calling something "pretentious" can be in itself the most pretentious thing one can say.

I mean, sure, I've seen films I've found pretentious as well, but (as stated at the top of this thread) it was because I felt the film in question was not doing what it claimed to be doing, that it was disingenuous in some way... That goes on all the time.

Yet for many people, they get angry because they can tell a film is doing what it's claiming to do. But that angry viewer resents the effort. Because the end result is something in which they have little interest, and don't appreciate (or may even detest) any insight or intimacy offered by such material.

That sounds smuggy, perhaps, but there it is.



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Interesting discussion here. Someone mentioned how recent films centered on action heroes, or films with explosions, loud noises, have their fans who then are the wandering tribes on the internet, attacking films that differ from what they know.

That is obviously true, but along with the obvious consideration that such people do not want something else in films, there is an additional element involved. I think there is a kind of cultural conservatism at work in such people. They actively oppose that which they do not expect or want, as if the mere existence of some other kind of film, a different cinematic approach, is threatening to them.

Blow-up and other art films from the fifties into the seventies are problematic as well to such people because they combine a different kind of vitality compared to what they are used to with being "old". But make no mistake (while one need be a fan of such film if one is open to those older art films) that this goes on as well with even recent films, as I noticed with many of the negative comments made about Boyhood and its different approach to filmmaking.

You end up with this aggressive, obnoxious kind of conservative reflex (here I am not talking about political conservatism, but a kind of social and cultural one) that serves as the starting point of name calling htat which they do not understand and do not want to try to.

It is rather disheartening, I am afraid.

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As for the above discussion of what the film was about, I also found it interesting describing Thomas as a man in control who gradually lost that control over the coures of the film.

I can see that, but also feel that Thomas evidences a degree of alienation from his work (as opposed to photography more generally, which he does feel quite comfortable, perhaps even loves) from virtually the film's beginning. He returns from his photo shoot in the flop house, yes, evidencing a take charge attitude with his employees. But the shoot with Verushka is filled with evidence of his dissatisfaction. This boils over in the ensuing shoot with the five models that he walks out on. His blowing off the interest of the young girls played by Jane Barkin and Gillian Hills seems in large part his way of saing "Why do you want to get into this business?"

As a comparitor he is literally enthused about the photography book he discusses and goes over with Ron, and of course his shots in the park that he later blows up he sees as a great ending to his book.

Antonioni is known for raising the subject of economic alienation, social distancing as a cause of existential alienation. Think of L'Eclisse, with Vittoria's alienation from the stock exchange, from Piero's materialism. It seems rather obvious to me that Thomas is having great difficulty accepting the way he has to use his craft, his art, in service of making money (although one may of course ask how much money he really needs, but I digress).

This distancing he feels between the values he hopes to achieve in his craft and his fashion photo shoots indicate he's not really on total control even at the film's beginning.

Having said that i do appreciate the observation that what ends up being the undermining of his craft, how he ends up questioning what his photos really showed, increases his alienation to a near breaking point.

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They actively oppose that which they do not expect or want, as if the mere existence of some other kind of film, a different cinematic approach, is threatening to them.

That is most certainly true. I know a flagrant example of this in someone who insists that Bell at the end of No Country For Old Men is actually "in relative repose," despite all the evidence otherwise. It's always amazing how effective the mind is at censorship, protecting itself from conscious perception of threatening context by simply redacting it.

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Nice reach, whatlarks, except my take on the ending of NCFOM has nothing to do with cultural conservatism. I see though I really got under your skin with taht, though, if you felt it necessary to come here and make such a stupid comment.

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Far from a stretch, it's a directly relevant example. It is a manifest case of cultural conservatism when any viewer actively blocks out blatant and highly uncomfortable context because its meaning violates a deeply felt value. They are "actively opposing that which they do not expect or want."

"Some other kind of film, a different cinematic approach," is about some other kind/different meaning than the viewer's cultural convictions. The viewer intuits it - often unconsciously - as anathema. One common defense is to redact the offensive context, re-creating the scene to reflect the viewer's code of beliefs.

Once context is re-created to conform with cultural belief, it becomes deeply satisfying. Which is why, when the redacted context is pointed out, the threat of awareness, of confronting this intolerable meaning, is so acute that it can end up just as you described: "this aggressive, obnoxious kind of conservative reflex... that serves as the starting point of name calling."

I'm reading the boards on Antonioni films because there is a big Italian retrospective in my town, and I'm looking forward to taking in his and other Italian masters' films on the big screen.

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"It is a manifest case of cultural conservatism when any viewer actively blocks out blatant and highly uncomfortable context because its meaning violates a deeply felt value."

Ah, but that would require that it be clear what the meaning is, would it not?

Seems like YOU are the authoritarian who insisted on YOUR interpretation of the film.

In any event you are projecting to say my interpretation of NCFOM reflected some deeply held value of mine. On one level I merely came to an interpretation that was somewhat more optimistic than you. So? I dont need films to justify "deeply held beliefs", as if I need a film to justify this or that belief. How idiotic on your part to contend.

More to the point I did not attempt to block out anyone else's view of the ending, and even more to the point of THIS discussion, did not troll NCFOM as a kind of film that I objected to because of hte KIND of film it is.

In other words, you don't know what you are talking about, went out of your way to make a ridiculous personal attack on me, and are wasting everyone's time here on the Blowup boards. To which you have contributed nothing with your personal attack on me.

You are in short a troll.

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that would require that it be clear what the meaning is, would it not?

Indeed, and in this case it is clear that the character is not in "relative repose" but in a disconcerted state, which implies a contrary meaning.

somewhat more optimistic than you

Not more than me, but radically more than the filmmakers who went out of their way to make it clear that Bell was not in "relative repose," but unnerved. The Coens reinforce the feeling of unease by putting together the actor's expression, tone, rising sound of the ticking clock, and the smash to black. To say that this equals "relative repose" is to redact blatant context.

I did not attempt to block out anyone else's view of the ending

But that just isn't the case. You have reacted with severe umbrage when asked to account for the redacted context. You become unreasonable, denying it, quickly resorting to name calling, anything but to confront it. To further block out the view provided by the redacted context, you've claimed two things:

1) "If that is what was INTENDED by them, then I have to conclude it is just quite simply sloppy and inadequate filmmaking and nothing more."

2) "To find that intended result persuasive, to accept that scene as a compelling argument, one must I think be in agreement with it a priori."

Thus in your mind, if one actually acknowledges the filmmakers' full context - deciding not to redact it, creating a substitute ending and meaning - then that not only proves the filmmakers are incompetent, but also that one must necessarily agree with them. This is just a more articulate version of the phenomenon being discussed in this thread.

To first redact context, and then to respond so aggressively when confronted with it, it's evident that the subject touches on a very deeply held value of yours. It's likely that the full context informing the ending of the Coens' film threatened that value, whereas Antonioni doesn't, and so doesn't trigger the same reflexive response.

The hostility at the end of your reply exactly reflects "that "aggressive, obnoxious kind of conservative reflex... that serves as the starting point of name calling." Its cause is the threat of awareness of the redacted context at the end of that film, and its implied meaning.

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Many professional critics focus on reality and illusion with "Blow Up".
- My view however is that this portion of the film is about meaning.
Thomas for the first time has found something to do that he cares about.


BB-15, I like that focus. It's really striking how it affects him. I appreciate the alternative focus - reality v. illusion - but it's not the most interesting/meaningful quality for me. Probably because I don't think it's the deeper one. There is no external meaning or reality; reality and meaning are made in the mind of the beholder. In a way it is all illusion.

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I hate to be a pedant, but Dylan didn't say "Life is but a joke" -- at least not I n All Along the Watchtower. Here are the lyrics:


There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.


Sorry for quoting the whole thing, but the song is in reverse chronological order, so it makes no sense to quote the question without quoting the song to the end.

From this, I think it's pretty clear that neither the Joker nor the Thief thought life was a joke. As for Dylan's opinion, that changed throughout his life, but here I suspect that Dylan is sympathising with the Joker and the Thief. Otherwise, why give so much time to their conversation, when the princes and women - the elite - are disposed of with a passing observation?

(While I know little of the Bible, the horsemen are not the 'horsemen of the apocalypse', as I believe there were three of them. I've been told that these horsemen are from another passage in the Bible, reporting the fall of another town.)

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That aside, I saw this film when I was thirteen, just after colour TV had been introduced to Australia, and it made quite an impact. I watched it again last night and I thought it stood up well. (I'm not sure whether the tussle between the models and the photographer was needed, but it did no harm.)
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very interesting post. i had a very similar reaction after seeing this film regarding a profession in photography. i attended Rochester Institute of Technology's School of Photographic Illustration in pursuit of this dream. i completely share your statement " Thirty years later, I am still looking for new ideas and concepts to shoot."


We deal in lead, friend.

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I find it very funny that the OP criticizes people who claim that Blow-Up and its fans are pretentious because they don't get why other people generally liked it and, right after, he states that sometimes he also claims that other films and their fans are pretentious as he doesn't get why people generally like these films.

I think that people who calls other people "pretentious" (hate this word) have a natural tendency to be pretentious themselves. Doesn't that make me potentially pretentious as well? Whatever...

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I find it very funny that the OP criticizes people who claim that Blow-Up and its fans are pretentious because they don't get why other people generally liked it and, right after, he states that sometimes he also claims that other films and their fans are pretentious as he doesn't get why people generally like these films.

I think that people who calls other people "pretentious" (hate this word) have a natural tendency to be pretentious themselves. Doesn't that make me potentially pretentious as well? Whatever...


But I made that point myself. To pretend you're making it yourself without acknowledging that I made it first is being pretentious.

Or did I just pretend you didn't?

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pretentious is an overused word. THe bigger problem on IMDb is people who post critical posts about a film and go beyond that to attack those who like it without having any understanding why the admirers like it. even worse they attack without having any apparent interest in understanding why the admirers like it.

I think that posture comes from a combination of a form of cultural conservatism and personal insecurity. You see the results of this all over, but you do see it here in that kind of criticism. How unfortunate in what is supposed to be a forum for discussing what is really a kind of art form, or at least can be that.

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"Pretentious" and "overrated" are probably the two adjectives that I hate the most. The second is even worse, because it doesn't even mean anything at all. People just rate things as they do. In relation to exactly what something can be "over" or "under" rated?

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There are some people who just go around to the boards of classic films and post "this is boring and pretentious" as a recreational activity.

I hear it's the only some of them can achieve an orgasm.

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But I made that point myself. To pretend you're making it yourself without acknowledging that I made it first is being pretentious.

Or did I just pretend you didn't?


Even if I didn't, your accusation makes you pretentious and my act of pointing it out makes me also pretentious.

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Or are you just pretending that that happened?

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And when you start using terms like...."resonance"

Personally, I think 'resonate' is the perfect term to use to describe why something (can be anything - film, poem, book, etc) will affect a person at any given time. I have watched movies that have deeply affected me because it resonates with something that has just happened/is happening in my life. Two years later it will not have the same affect because I am not the same person. Context can be all important.

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