this movie sucked


Nothing happens. Plus, how was the donkey a saint? All it did was act like a donkey.

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Actually a lot happens in this film, but not all of it is shown on-screen. I guess whether the donkey is a saint depends on how you define a saint. One of the characters calls the donkey a saint late in the film. This film isn't really about what happens in it or the plot or subplots. In the TV interview included on the Criterion DVD, Bresson states that this film is about our anxieties and desires, when confonted by a creature who is noble and happens to be a donkey. And that it's also about the parallel lives of Marie and the donkey. I see the film as a catalog of our sins and weaknesses.

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What kind of a film is a film that isn't about the plot or the subplots?

A film without some kind of solid storyline, at some level, is just a BAD film, at least for me.

A film with a weak storyline is like a ham sandwich without the ham. Whaddya Got? Just some bread with mayonnaise smeared on it.

The storyline is the MEAT of a film for me.

Pseudo-intellectual pronouncements that a film can be "good" without a strong storyline is just ABSTRACT BABBLE that somehow tries to justify the "classic" status of a film that is, in reality, just CRAP.

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"A film without some kind of solid storyline, at some level, is just a BAD film, at least for me."

...Said the guy who rated Film Socialisme, Black Moon and 2001: A Space Odyssey 10/10, all films with much less plot than Au Hasard Balthazar (the former I love, the others I can't stand). But regardless of the hypocrisy that would imply, I think you completely misunderstand the potential of film and art in general.

You see, any work of art can arbitrarily be divided into "content" and "form". For some odd, inexplicable reason, and in complete contradiction to artistic movements such as realism and (especially) formalism, not to mention the development of the arts in general, the form should be service of the content, and otherwise the work isn't worth watching. I could never understand this assumption. A film in which the content serves the form, such as 2001: A Space Odyssey, can be just as great as a regular narrative film, if not better than one.

That said, I don't see how Balthazar has no plot, or even a bad story for that matter. It is quite fragmented, yes, but that doesn't mean it shuns the content completely. It just takes a different approach to narrative than you may be familiar with (Bresson remains an anomaly in the cinema, after all), or you may just have difficulty responding to it. It's completely legitimate, since nothing, especially something as unique and unfamiliar as a Bresson film, is for everyone. For me, it is one of the absolute best films of all time, but its resonance is limited, I suppose.

(I'll attempt to address your specific criticisms of the film in more detail on your post about it.)

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At least make it mustard, please? Ham and mayonnaise makes no sense to my taste buds. Maybe horse radish (pun intended)!

I missed the point didn't I?

Personally, I loved this movie. I don't think a film needs plot. Plot is a framework on which other themes and ideas can be attached. If those ideas are strong enough the plot can become irrelevant. Koyaanisqatsi for example has no plot but is filled with themes and philosophical ideas. Most SitComs have no real plot. They survive on strong characterisation. When you describe the "plot" of a SitCom you are generally describing the first episode where the premise is setup to enable the characters to shine.

"Never eat yellow snow" 

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Just because you think a movie needs plot doesn't mean a damn thing. In fact I prefer movies that aren't so narrative heavy. Some of us just like seeing life and history for what it is, no theatrics, melodrama or plot. I'm not saying plot is bad, but it is definitely not necessary. To think film should limit itself because some dude on the internet think plots is all-important is completely asinine.

You just didn't like it, doesn't mean it's bad or heavy plot focus is necessary in cinema.

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And all saints do is act like saints.

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I completely agree, dude. There should have been explosions, sex, formulaic plots, gunfights YEAH!

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I know!!!
Like "300", *beep* "Boondock Saints"....Uwe Boll, YO!



"I didn't know they made bastard's as sexy as you!"

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B-T-W The donkey is considered a saint in that it is a purely innocent being. That's what I think Bresson's implying.

"I didn't know they made bastard's as sexy as you!"

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That would have gotten the women over 45 vote! But really OP, sometimes you get out what you put in.

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I'm with the OP. I wouldn't go as far as to say this film sucked, but a masterpiece or even a 10 rating? NO. Aesthetically it was a beautiful film, great shots, nice lighting, very fluid camera movement but the story was boring and depressing. The whole film is pretty much watching the two characters go through a slow and painful death and its only pessimistic view on the cruelty of humans. I can't see how people find that enjoyable to watch. And wtf was up with Gerard?

I didn't like this movie as much as I wanted to which sucks because Godard is my all time favorite director and he highly praised this film and I just don't see why.



RIP Paul Newman 1925-2008. Words can't express how much you will be missed.

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Godard's favorite movies often suck, strangely enough. (Not that Balthazar sucks, but I agree with some of the comments here that this is beautifully shot but incredibly depressing, and I have a hard time going into a film in the first place which is about an animal getting beaten and mistreated. Truffaut once said about Bergman - unfairly - that his films didn't help people live, and that surely can be said about this film. Miserable wretched human beings, we should all be shot and put to rest, is the feeling I get.)

E.g. Godard liked a lot the following films: Hawks' "Man's Favorite Sport", Renoir's "Elena et les hommes" and "Le Testament du Dr. Cordelier", Cocteau's "Le Testament d'Orphée". All inferior works by these great directors, IMHO. (Although I do like "Hatari"!)

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Anyone who uses the term 'This Movie Sucked' will never like this sort of film to begin with. You really do deal with some fools on imdb.

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The late, great Bresson was one of the best Directors of all-time! Balthazar is a classic, and the Donkey did the best he could with what he had to work with: crappy people.

Goddard would be an extremely qualified person to ctitique a fellow contemporary in their field of Cinema, and Goddard says praise-worthy compliments about Bresson's works for the simple reason that the praise is deserved.

End of story and discussion.

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This movie was engrossing, profound and very moving. Godard has great taste.

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I'm sorry, but you fail. (OP)

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Alright come on guys...While maybe you got something from this movie, not everyone will. Some of these comments don't seem justified. I personally enjoyed the film, it was shot beautifully and had a few very moving scenes, but by no means would I consider it a masterpiece. Anyway my point is not to critique the movie, but to express my disappointment in those elitists who feel the need to insult someone who doesn't like a film. At least the OP has formulated his own opinion and is willing to question the quality of a film that so many champion solely because it is a Bresson.

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I agree this movie sucked big time. There is no structure, the characters are purely reactive, is just an endless string of suffering with no reward or message in the end, except that if you endure everything you will die at one point and don't have to endure more. The acting was horrible. The film is very flawed I'm my own humble opinion. However, I did like the music and the camera work.

Also I really can't stand people who have the need to criticize other people because they dissagree with a movie they like. It's called taste and formulating your own opinions unlike people that like stuff because The Criterion Collection or X critic says this is a masterpiece...

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> There is no structure, the characters are purely reactive, is just an endless string of suffering with no reward or message in the end, except that if you endure everything you will die at one point and don't have to endure more. The acting was horrible. The film is very flawed I'm my own humble opinion. However, I did like the music and the camera work.

> There is no actors.

Bresson do not use actors.


> It's called taste and formulating your own opinions unlike people that like stuff because The Criterion Collection or X critic says this is a masterpiece..

There is also the possibility you cannot understand the film, for some reason or other. Possibly because you are reared on all the fantasy films in Hollywood.

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Oh please. Acting like someone who doesnt share your opinion of something must be of inferior intellect is the very defenition of pretention. I think its an interesting movie, I definitely wouldnt recommend it to everyone though. Showering difficult films like this with all sorts of hyperbolic praise like how it's a "masterpiece" and so forth only does them a diservice because people are naturally inclined to react in opposition to such over the top claims.

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impatbateman, you sir are have found good company in the OP.

both of you are disappointing.

he said this movie sucked and nothing happened..

yet you say he formulated his own opinion and willing to question the quality of the film.


wrong.

he, like you, must be emotionally blind and/or impatient (as is the curse of today's day and age)

this film takes the darkness of humanity and places it within the most benign of settings and "heroes"

the french countryside at the turn of the century and a donkey (who can't even talk), yet he manages to show you (or in your case fails *sigh*) the ugliness of the human condition.

so maybe instead of championing peoples willingness to simply pass over a movie that, at the surface, may seem quiet and unexciting, you should look deeper into a film and figure out the meaning behind the visuals, and encourages others to do the same.

mediocrity is nothing to defend

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This must be one of the least intelligent premises for a comment thread I've ever seen on IMDb.

If you can't handle real films, stick to Hollywood trash.

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Every classic film has at least one thread from some meathead who didn't get the movie and is indignant that other people liked it.

"So tell me, all you poseur hipsters, just how did Dorothy get blown to Oz on a tornado? It makes no sense! Wake up, sheeple!"

The Casablanca board has a thread from a ding-dong suggesting a petition to remove Casablanca from the IMDB Top 250 list. The little snot is upset that a black and white film has made it all the way to #30! We can't have that!

Janet! Donkeys!

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You know, sometimes this response is completely true and warranted: You just didn't get it.

You are clearly incapable of approaching film as an art form. Move along.

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OP is wrong.

That is all.

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actually, the film doesnt suck, the person who said it did is just an average run of the mill ignoramus. in fact, this is one of the greatest films ever made. its easy to say so, and i do so with much greater confidence in my understanding of the film (and films both in general and specifically) than any fool who cant recognize the obvious pure genius of this film.

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I like the simplicity of someone saying that the film "sucked". A simple statement, just as a donkey is an uncomplicated abstract for "soul" or "plain humanity", or whatever the viewer infers from the film itself. It is likely that each individual sees something different in the donkey's presence, much like a mirroring. As far as the statement that the donkey is just being a donkey - true. Compare the donkey with the cat just being a cat in Brando's lap in the opening scene of "Godfather". Neither film expects a performance from these animals; rather, only, the truth of what they are. A calculating murderer plays with a cat - the cat doesn't fear the murderer but plays with him carelessly. The donkey is on a set of a film and is probably getting all kinds of attention in-between "takes" and is probably the happiest donkey ever... but the film portrays something else. If the donkey looks miserable, it is probably because it ate too many carrots.

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OP is wrong.

And stupid, it seems.

That is all.



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Read your bible folks. Numbers.

This film is challenging.
If you can't accept the challenge...move on.

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How many *beep* come on this board? Sheesh...

All you people act so high and mighty and dismiss everybody who doesn't get along with your opinion as "idiotic" or say they should stick to movies like 300, and that trash. Seriously, stop sucking your own dicks. Liking this film doesn't make you a more intelligent person, and it doesn't even mean you know more about film than anyone else, you lousy bunch of morons.

Everybody likes different things. That's the beauty of film, there's something to appeal to everybody's tastes, opinions, beliefs, morals, values, etc, etc.

So instead of dismissing a person's view on the film as stupid, simply because they didn't like a film maybe try to get something out of what they're saying. Different views and opinions are why internet film boards exist, is it not?

Oh and by the by, I disagree with the OP. I loved this film to death. One of the masterpieces of cinema if you ask me. Doesn't mean I'm going to piss on his view of it.

"A guilty conscience needs to confess. A work of art is a confession." - Albert Camus

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