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Why didn't any of the subsequent films or sequels get weird?


Everything from TMP to Voyager was so strait-laced and earnest. But TOS was only straight-laced and earnest part of the time, some weeks they'd have a sex farce like "Mudd's Women" or a comedy with tribbles or total camp like "Spock's Brain"! Or an officer would drink his enemies under the table or break into song...

Why didn't the makers of TNG or Voyager or DS9 get wacky sometimes? Particularly "Voyager", having people flip out there would have been totally believable.

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Because the words "Star Trek" and "camp" were stuck together as if they were glued together back during the 1970's by popular culture observers. These observers in the media and the entertainment world had only a very small level of interest in Star Trek so their knowledge was equally minimal. If they only saw a couple of outlandish episodes then they just assumed the rest of the series was the same way. Because these observers such as the Saturday Night Live set of comedians appealed to the anti-authority nature of young people they were given the benefit of the doubt as to what they knew on a wide variety of subjects. Benefit that should have never been granted. Ironic that these people criticized establishment types for the "anything for a buck" mentality that was eroding America when these comedians were employing "any zinger for a buck" even if overall it was not a very accurate assessment of a subject. Getting back to the topic at hand the producers of TNG and onward were so afraid of being held up to ridicule that they avoided such subject matter that you brought up that they avoided anything that had a taste of TOS other than the fact the show was a Star Trek derivative so it would have space ships, aliens, exotic weapons, and so forth.

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Honey, are you trying to say that "Spock's Brain" ISN'T camp? Because if you are, you either haven't seen the episode in years, or you don't know what the term means! Because yes, it is a lovely example of Unintentional Camp, and the series is much more enjoyable for its presence. TOS encompassed both the subline and the ridiculous, and the sublime episodes wouldn't have been so good if the show hadn't taken such big risks (not all of which paid off, obviously).

But yeah, I think you're right about TNG etc. being afraid of ridiculousness and ridicule, which did lead to a certain... flatness.

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Not at all. I am just saying that for quite a few in Hollywood there is very little difference between "Spock's Brain" and "Balance of Terror." The same people that say that Shatner was hammy and over the top for all 79 episodes. People that really do not care on iota about Star Trek and that criticizing Star Trek brings like minded morons out to fawn over said Hollywood personality.

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I wish that they had. I feel like the spin-offs, and ESPECIALLY the people behind them, took themselves way too seriously.

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Well, the camp style was really big in the 60s and wouldn't have played well in the 80s. If it did, other things like Tim Burton Batman film would have featured Jack Nicholson dancing and surfing with Michael Keaton. Some of the camp stuff in Star Trek and other shows of that era was really kind of a giddiness about being able to shoot TV in color for the first time. A lot of those shows really enjoyed bright colors and goofing around with the cameras. The thrill wore off after a few years.

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Wow. I just realized I replied to this thread twice. I must be losing my memory.

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Star Trek V was plenty weird. Early TNG "went there" occasionally too.

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The Episode where Troi turns into a lizard was total campy. I can't watch that one anymore cause its so cheesy.

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Campy episodes, for me. Not saying they are all bad but in the CAMP style. Shore Leave, Spock's Brain, And the Children Shall Lead, the MUDD episodes, Assignment Earth, Let that be your last battlefield, Plato's Stepchildren, Day of the Dove, Who Mourns for Adonis, Wolf in the Fold, The Omega Glory, Bread and Circuses, The Squire of Gothos and The Apple.

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Tribbles.

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Because later Trek took itself too seriously and didn't know how to have fun.

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They did if I recall .... there were quite a few almost slap-stick scenes with the doctor, and then there was the doctor on Enterprise, and Seven of Nine. I never watched Deep Space 9

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