Feminism


Many people point to Star Trek as breaking new ground for women, proving that they can be on the same footing with men. As a woman, I say, BUNK!

There's nothing practical about outfitting women in short skirts and asking them to serve on a space ship. They were cheesecake, photographed through soft lenses and given impractical hairstyles and provocative clothing while the men dressed in utilitarian clothing and got things done.

The women would shriek in horror in times of danger and would be rescued by the men. They used every cliché in the book. No, it kept women decorative, answering phones and fetching coffee in short skirts -- the opposite of feminism.

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Well, the first pilot was called The Cage. #2 the role spock has now, was a woman. Nbc rejected this and the only way they would let star trek on air was if they demoted women to the more sexist roles.

Gene tried his best.

Unfortunately nu!trek is just as bad, if not worse.

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I Googled scenes from that episode to see if the women were wearing micro-minis and matching panties, and by gum, there they are in the same uniform the men wore! Of course, they had the female sex object, Vina, as a variety of seductresses, so even given free rein, Roddenberry wasn't above using women that way. If he'd sold the series as is, he'd have had to have a pantheon of sex goddesses from around the universe, or changed the women's uniforms exactly as NBC must have requested to inject any sex appeal. As it was, he did both and the end result for women was Sex Kittens In Space.

Then again, this was the days when women were wearing micro-minis, burning their bras, and daring men to look at their legs, derrières, and jiggling bustlines so they could call them "male chauvinist pigs." Of course now the activists strip off naked and dare men to stare at their lady bits so they can call them "sexist pigs." I'm not a big feminist, obviously, but it just looks so foolish to have women dressed that way and acting so helpless when I'm sure everyone of the people working on the project had someone in their family who'd been a WAAC or a WAVE or had at least worked in Mr. Kaiser's shipyards as a Rosie the Riveter, and knew women dressing like that would NEVER be in the military, nor would women who were serious about their work put up with uniforms like that. For that matter, neither would women who were serious about their work squeal like school girls when something awful happened.

Maybe it's 20/20 hindsight.....

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I agree I kinda of disagree with today's 'feminism'. I am for women having equal rights and being able to be free, etc. BUT I am against what I like to call FAKE feminism. You know women who subscribe to reducing themselves to physical sex objects, then calling it 'freedom' 'feminism' or the like.

When you use your BODY/feminine wiles to get ahead in life that is YES, the OPPOSITE of feminism! Feminism is all about women NOT being physical objects.

Case in point, I saw a story about a 13 yo school girl that got dress coded (whatever that means) for wearing a top that was showing off her bare shoulders and basically her entire top. Her (admittedly also slutty older sister) went ape shit and protested it saying this policy was anti feminist/sexist. When these two harlots were the REAL anti feminists/sexists.

I looked up the older whore's social media, and yup, photo after photo of her slutting it up. Boobs out, low cut shirts, bra showing in some cases, kissing poses, etc.... OK when you are asking the world permission to USE YOUR BODY to get ahead in life you are NOT a feminist.

I read the comments section, and A LOT of people, if not the majority, were FOR the dress code. Basically they made fabulous arguments. IN LIFE there is a DRESS CODE for EVERYTHING. And SCHOOL dress codes prepare you for WORK dress codes. Unless you work in porn or something LOL. If you wanna dress like a whore, save it for the club, or when you are at home, or a party. But get ready to be called a whore, because that is what you are. I just DON'T GET women who dress like whores, act like whores, then are OFFENDED when you call them whores. They are just calling a spade a spade.

SO TIRED of these whores calling their backwards SELF objectifying ways 'feminism.' IT'S NOT! You are doing it to get attention, to get treated better, to use your feminine whiles to get stuff = opposite of feminism. Really happy other people are seeing this too. I always think I'm the only one.

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My idea of the ultimate feminist? My mother. She chopped and picked cotton with her sharecropping family. She became a Rosie the Riveter at the beginning of WWII. She became a WAAC and went around the world. Like many women during that time, she rolled up her sleeves and worked in factories, shipyards, and in the Armed Forces. Then she took off the uniform and settled down to become a housewife.

And these are the same women that the "feminists" think they're so much better than, them and their morals and ethics. Joke's on the "feminists," because these women were the real pioneers of women's rights.

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I would have *loved* to have had the honor of knowing your mom. It sounds like she was a wonderful (and wonder) woman.

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Thank you! She came from Oklahoma, and like most folks of that area and era, could tell stories shot through with humor. She had to go to "Mr. Kaiser's shipyards," she said, because "they were planning to marry me off to the village idiot." People from Texas and Oklahoma have a way of talking like nobody else....

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Ha. I was going to say that sounds like the strong women in my family (also from Oklahoma). We're probably related.

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We probably are! ;)

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I think the creators and the network clashed on that a lot. The creators wanted a better view of humanity's future, which included more equality, while the network just wanted ratings.

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Yup, Roddenberry was a womaniser who only really cared about race relations when it came to the future utopia.

Even the later incarnations avoided women and homosexuality.

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People love Uhura SO much that they overstate her real role, and the show's attitude towards women. (Although Uhura was too cool for words, and as far as I know she was the first female military officer on TV. I love her!)

Most of the women on the show were Kirk's girlfriends or the rotating useless yeomen, there weren't any women in positions of authority... or women who were competent with authority. There were people like the childish Elaan and that nitwit Romulan who let herself be seduced out of the cloaking device, even if they held high rank they obviously didn't deserve it.. T'Pau was probably the only woman in a high position to do her job right, and her job included telling another woman she would become a chattel. No, TOS doesn't get a lot of feminist points.

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I agree in that Star Trek's example does not make it a shining demonstration of enlightened thought with regards to feminism. I don't think it is as bleak as your assessment states that it is. Dr Elizabeth Dehner (Sally Kellerman) in the second pilot. Lt Ariel Shaw in "Court Martial" and even though she gets the mini-dress it really is not distracting to the plot. I chalk her uniform up to the production being in a hurry and not taking time for a more serious outfit. The previously mentioned T'Pau and the chattel thing may not be culture wide but maybe a caste in regards to T'Pring. Sarah Marshall's character in "The Deadly Years." Marianne Hill's Dr Noel in "The Dagger of the Mind" is proficient as a character even though her hem could not be any higher and still cover a vital area. I don't see the Romulan commander as a dolt as she has "people" as to the security of the cloaking device. It's not like her job assignment expressly is to guard it. Her job in this situation was to get Spock to switch sides. Remember that in the original series the schism between Romulus and Vulcan was far enough back that one knew very little about the other including the state of political affairs. No reason to believe that all of Vulcan were flag waving Federation zealots.

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i'm just watching the reruns on bbc. it is definitely not breaking ground for women. it still entertaining though if kept in context of when it was filmed.

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Let's clear up today's perception of the uniforms.

Believe it or not, short skirts were an icon of feminism in the sixties, as they were seen as a liberating expression of female sexuality. Fashion-conscious women didn't want to be stuck with wearing long dresses like their mothers, and at the same time they didn't necessarily want to wear pants, which they perceived as masculine.

In fact, the female uniforms in the two pilot episodes of Star Trek featured pants similar to what the men wore, but Grace Lee Whitney, who played Yeoman Rand, did not like this at all. The short skirt uniform was the result. Both Grace Lee Whitney and Nichelle Nichols liked the style.

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Actually, the short-skirted uniforms weren't that bad. They had on little matching shorts under the miniskirt so the ladies didn't have to be too conscious about how they sat or moved, which makes them much more practical than a real-life miniskirt.

But what really made the uniforms slightly believable is that the ladies all wore the same practical, comfortable, low-heeled boots as the men! Because there is no garment on Earth more impractical, uncomfortable, and limiting of movement than a high heel. Good thing they die out in the centuries to come.

PS: And what did J.J. Abrams have Uhura wear in the reboot? Damn high heels, totally impractical things that she couldn't possible run in or walk over uneven ground in.

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"Believe it or not, short skirts were an icon of feminism in the sixties, as they were seen as a liberating expression of female sexuality." True, much the same as going braless in lace or see-thru tops was supposed to "liberate" us from the sexist male chauvinist pigs. I lived through the age, though, and we didn't think of our jeans as being "masculine." Also, any place I worked back then, I wasn't allowed to wear micro-miniskirts, as they were called. And strangely enough, we had the choice of minis, maxis, midis, and micro-minis in the fashion world.

I guess there are a number of stories about how the short skirts came into being. The version I heard was that Roddenberry initially had the women in pants, as one would expect in potential war zones ("We come in peace! [Shoot to kill!]). In this version, NBC demanded the short skirts. Whichever version is true is anyone's guess. For the real aficionados, they could probably tell by when Yeoman Rand first showed up on the series.

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The Network suits were responsible for the Mini low cut star skirts. In the original pilot "The Cage" you can see women crewman wearing the same uniform as the men. Thank God for NBC executive decisions!

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They usually speak of Uhura being on the bridge, and women and men serving together in war zones (something that didn't happen in real terms until long, long after the original Star Trek appeared).

You don't have to believe me, of course -- although logic and an understanding of history should have proved it to you. But trust me, I don't care enough about this subject to lie about it, let alone get as heated about it as you did.

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Good points, destinata.


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