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Jumped the shark when they made Barnabas truly evil


in the Leviathan story. Before that,he always had some redeeming quality but he became truly evil and it did not fit in with the previous years' worth of story line. Very disappointed with that story line. I sure hope he redeems himself before the end of the series

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I think most of us agree that the leviathan storyline was the low point of the series. There is one storyline later that is quite dull but nothing so bad as the leviathan.

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This^.

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I actually like the Leviathan storyline. But at least for me something feels different once Vicki gets back from 1795. I can't put my finger on exactly what. The music may have some role in it because there are many new music cues after we get back to the present time.

Don't get me wrong, the show is still good afterwards. But in my opinion it never manages to be quite as excellent as the first 460 episodes again. Something about it just changes feels different after that point.

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One odd thing is that before 1795, Barnabas was trying to do away with Hoffman, then afterwards they're suddenly allies again, and no one's interested in Sarah anymore.

Bob Cobert did the music for Dan Curtis' recent (at the time) Jeckyl and Hyde TV movie. He recorded a new version of the score to add to this show.

With 1795, the show adopted a slightly more "soapy" feel to it and it intensified with each new storyline. By the time 1840 came around, I found it getting kind of hard to take. 1841 Parallel Time I always found unwatchable.

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If you needed to bring in a werewolf, I guess that would be "jumping the shark!" Anyone watch the 90's series with Ben Cross? I thought it well made and I probably taped them all before being cancelled! 

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I thought the werewolf was a great storyline, but they put it on the back-burner too often. The actor playing the original subject (Chris Jennings) left the show before the storyline had the chance to be resolved.

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I actually like the Leviathan storyline. But at least for me something feels different once Vicki gets back from 1795. I can't put my finger on exactly what. The music may have some role in it because there are many new music cues after we get back to the present time.

Don't get me wrong, the show is still good afterwards. But in my opinion it never manages to be quite as excellent as the first 460 episodes again. Something about it just changes feels different after that point.


Are you confusing the Leviathan storyline with the flashback to 1795? They happened almost two years apart!

As for Vicky returning from 1795, you're exactly right, there were quite a few continuity differences.

For one thing, the actress playing Phyllis Wick, the real governess who was replaced by Vicki, was played by two different actresses. The one first appearing at the seance was not the same actress in the end.

For another, even though time had "frozen" at Collinwood, it was 1968 when Vicki returned. Since she disappeared in November of 1967, it should've still been 1967.

But the real problems begin once she comes back. There is NEVER a mention of Sarah Collins again. Contacting Sarah was the entire reason for the seance. When Vicki came back, that's all been forgotten.

Barnabas had Carolyn under his spell prior to he seance. That, too, is entirely forgotten in 1968.

Burke Devlin had been reported lost in a plane crash prior to the seance, and Vicki was waiting to hear word of his ultimate fate. He was never mentioned or even referred to again after the seance.

It was clearly established prior to the seance that you could walk from Collinwood to Eagle Hill cemetery. After the seance, you must drive there.

Barnabas wanted to kill Julia, and Julia had hidden a red diary containing incriminating evidence about Barnabas. I don't believe that was ever mentioned again, either.

A rather obvious change is that the Old House has been completely restored. All the walls have been painted and look brand new. That's because the set designers cleaned it up for the 1795 flashback and never changed it back to looking shabby.

So, when Vicki returned--and in the present time, she was gone for only a second--several plot lines were dropped. No explanation. It's almost as if she'd returned to an alternate reality. Soon after, within a matter of episodes, kooky Dr. Lang was introduced, Peter Bradford returned from 1795, and the Adam storyline began.

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You're right. And also David was deathly afraid of Barnabas. He was about a hair's width away from learning everything about him. After Vicki got back from 1795 David and Barnabas were best friends again and it was like nothing ever happened between them. I thought that was also rather strange.

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In my second and third posts at: https://moviechat.org/tt0059978/Dark-Shadows/60e2aca0b452fc6236fd2879/A-Genealogical-Contradiction I develop a therory which might explain a lot of inconsistences.

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Remember the warning Angelique made to Barnabas in 1897 when he went back to solve the Quentin issue? She said that his mere presence could change things in unexpected ways. Victoria's presence in 1795 could also have done that without her intending to.


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In my second and third posts at: https://moviechat.org/tt0059978/Dark-Shadows/60e2aca0b452fc6236fd2879/A-Genealogical-Contradiction I develop a therory which might explain a lot of inconsistences.

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You needed two posts on this?

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The show actually jumped the shark when Barnabas went from EVIL (when he kidnapped Maggie, killed Dr. Woodard, and threatened and hurt many others) to a good guy, almost like Sherlock Holmes, with Hoffman as his Watson.

That he became evil again in the Leviathan storyline was a welcomed return. Otherwise, he was just a sappy, emotional "hero," always troubled about something.

You forget that he's a murderer with several deaths under his belt, going all the way back to 1795.

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The only way Barnabas can become a true hero is if he allowed himself to be destroyed! It's not like he's feeding on rats and cows; still a vampire! Obviously surviving, no matter how wretched and gruesome is more important than being a good guy or hero! Come on! 

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By the end of the show, he wasn't a vampire anymore. As long as Adam lives, Barnabas was cured of the "curse."

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If I remember correctly, Barnabas was a vampire again, not through Angelique's curse, but through Jeb's machinations. The reason Barnabas went into the Parallel Time room in the East Wing was to avoid attacking Sabrina again.

Barnabas had Carolyn under his spell prior to he seance. That, too, is entirely forgotten in 1968.

That was addressed, albeit very briefly. She was still semi-enthralled post 1795. When Barnabas was in the hospital after the car accident, both Carolyn and Vicki's bite marks disappeared after Lang treated Barnabas with a transfusion and whatever drugs he was using. Carolyn was at Collinwood fussing with a scarf and when she removed it, she and Julia noticed the marks were gone.

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I don't think so. The Leviathans were great because Barnabas was once again evil. Nice Barnabas was boring. Adam and Count Petofi were the worst storylines by far.

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