Bad ending?......spoilers!


a rather dull ending to such brilliant spy movie.Alec should not have died in this movie ,he was characterized as a professional who knew the rules of the spy game ,he knew the girls life was in danger and knew somewhere in his thought that she would be killed.So at the final scene he should have crossed the wall and confronted Smiley and the agency and Smiley should have said something like" Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown" kind of line.Instead Nan's death comes as a surprise to him and he snaps out of it, which is quite uncharacteristic of a person with such experience.

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This actually brings up an interesting scenario. What if, instead of Leamas going over the wall first, he had Nan go over first? Smiley and Mundt were taking a rather big gamble on that one. They had kept Nan alive simply to get Leamas back home. Nan was never going to leave East Germany alive, but Leamas would never have left without her, either.

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yeah you made a good point,But guys like Smiley always have a plan B, at least that's what i think.

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Yeah, but I can't imagine 'Plan B' being much more than Leamas being shot if he didn't go over the wall, regardless of what order they went. I'm sure Smiley's plan was simply if Leamas goes over first, he gets to stay alive. If not, oh, well.

There was just no way they were going to let Nan get over that wall alive, regardless of what Leamas did afterward. So, it was entirely up to Leamas whether he wanted to save himself or not. I'm sure Mundt wanted to kill them both back at the compound, but letting Leamas (and just Leamas) at least have the opportunity to live was part of the deal.

Frankly, Leamas should have seen the scenario. Of course, there probably wasn't much he could do about it even if he knew what was going to happen.

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That's a good point re what if Nan went up the ladder first. Although I think in the car the young guy said.. Lemus go up first and then help Nan over.

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Could catch on the young guy telling them that Leamas was to go over the wall first. That pretty much clinches the plan to shoot Nan.

It would probably be too much to expect Leamas to wonder 'why' he was supposed to go over the wall first. At that point, I'm sure he figured he was just about home-free and was going to do whatever he was told.

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TBH if Nan goes first and is shot it still leaves Leamus in the same position. Leave her behind and get over the wall, or stay with her and get shot.

Es egal.... as they say in Germany.

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Leamas was finished as an "asset" anyway - and, in his state of disenchantment, a possible liability - so was therefore expendable. This was the tidiest tidy solution for his controllers.

BTW Please can anyone enlighten me on what the guard calls out over the loud-hailer at the end?

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Something like:

Mr. Leamus, please to go over to your own side. Your own side, Mr. Leamus.

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Then the movie would not have been faithful to the original novel. The bleak ending was the whole point.

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Agreed.

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Probably the biggest departure from the book occurs at the end. In the film, the young guide shoots Leamas and Nan, while in the book the the precise origin of the shots is not mentioned.

In the book, there are shots when the searchlight picks up Leamas and Nan at the wall and various orders in German were heard while the shots rang out. I think the intention of the author was to attribute the shots to the border guards, however there is mention of French and English voices as well as German voice while the shots were being fired, which leaves a certain amount of doubt as to who exactly was responsible for the shots. The film is more unequivocal as it clearly shows the young guide firing the shots and the implication is that it was Mundt and hence possibly British intelligence, his pay master, who was behind the shooting.

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It's the same way the book ends, which was critically acclaimed, which I suppose includes the ending. Dull? That's what Leamas claims the whole thing is, in his speech to Nan (whose name in the novel, by the way, was Liz Gold, a rather obvious reference to the fact she may be Jewish, like the expendable Fiedler). Chinatown? That came five years later, and is a film noir. Trite platitudes and catchphrases ('The stuff dreams are made of') are a staple of film noir, not spy films based on novels by John LeCarre. Leamas played a worn, embittered, alcoholic agent to carry out Control's plan. The trouble was, Leamas really was a worn, embittered, alcoholic agent, who foolishly found love while on the job, and then let that be the straw that broke his back. He should not have died? Tell that to Control; I'd say Control pretty much got everything he wanted, including the glorious, heroic death of his Man in Berlin, who might otherwise have become unreliable, dangerous, and... who knows? Defected? Knowing how Control turns out in LeCarre's subsequent novels, I would say this story, whether filmed or written, turned out exactly the way it always was going to.

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