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Never The Twain Shall Meet


The Sandpiper is made in the center of Hollywood's chamber of horrors, the bloated, nauseating and producing rich '60s. The film has the eternal icons, turtle-doves Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor in the lead roles. And Charles Bronson and Eva Maria Saint in sensational supporting cast. You have to go back to life and film in the mid 60s to begin to understand this movie. Burton plays a pompous, Catholic boarding school headmaster who turns out basically to hate himself, because his spiritual charity is corrupted into a fight for money and building projects. Taylor is an atheist, a self-chosen single mother, who teaches her son, and who hates, not just men, but the world. Taylor's son is being forcibly removed and placed on Burton's school. Then we have the salad. See, you could almost believe that it could be the basis for a film drama, 2011. But today we would not make such a film, either at my home or in the U.S. At least not with this conflict. Back then, the showdown between the two poles were probably more dull, more new. Today, the camps have positioned themselves in the action, and trying to get the two worlds to meet has long since dead-ended, a doomed battle in quilt and obdurate positions on each side. The battle has been fought and no one is wiser. Even in the mid-60s, this conflict may, however, not have been easy to produce.

The elegant filmaestethic, champion Vincente Minnelli dare - lifted by the powerful actors. It is precisely the obdurate positions the movie makes up with. See it to realize its courage. See the scenes Minnelli made during the last years of the Production Codes lifetime, but which you probably would not even make today in Hollywood (a boy shoots a deer with a rifle, a nude Taylor, an unfaithful Catholic protagonist). You would probably not be able to sell the product - (if ever gotten past the investors and producers) - before the over-sensitive media had ripped the product apart, ridiculed it. Cinematically and actingwise it is aged bad. But you should see the film with contemporary glasses. This is crucial. Otherwise, it quickly becomes a cliché. The following elements are prominent:

The contrast between nature and culture. Scenes from Big Sur, which symbolize nature and freedom. Scenes from the houses, school, and Taylor's house, which symbolizes the prison. The symbolism of the title may be thick and corny, but the bird that seeks to return to his own jail, is so fine a picture of what Burton encounters in this freedom story, when it turns out that the person, Taylor, who motivated his showdown with his own corruption, herself represents the very narrow world view he is trying to do away with. Taylor's reaction when Burton returned after telling his wife about their love, is probably superficial but to Minnelli it will serve to show that the opposite of his phoney-holy church, namely Taylor's bid for humanism, is as bogus and limited as his own. She can't contain him anyway. And therefore he must continue, as the bird, who finally finds freedom, but must recognize that unfortunately freedom goes hand in hand with the loneliness. But also for Taylor's cynicism there may be a way out. That she also got her worldview challenged, appears in the film's last scene, where her painting for the first time shows people.

So why does not Minnelli think that the two should have each other, one might ask. It's art as a concept that weaves Taylor and Burton's worlds into each other, painting, sculpture. It used to be song and dance that serves this purpose with Minnelli. But the ending is happy for Minnelli, who at heart is a realist, for they both find themselves again by being absorbed into their opposites (Deleuze, Cinema 2, p. 64). But there is no common future for the two opposites, though they have moved themselves a meter or more. It is shown in the film's last scene where Burton's spiritual arrogance on the rock is above Taylor's hate of the establishment attitude on the beach. They are trapped in different worlds. And the worlds could not meet. One might have hoped we had done better half a century later.

The film's dramatic conflict between Taylor and Burton offers an elegant allusion to the battle between Orson Welles, who bought a cabin in Big Sur, where she lives, and magnate WR Hearst, whose life Citizen Kane was based on, and whose castle is located in San Simeon, where Burton's school is located. It's the same battle Taylor and Burton in a way are fighting. Minnelli's message is that both are two sad parts of the same self-righteous piece, each of which may move down from the ivory tower to find themselves or the other.

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Well-worded synopsis and explanation! I just finished watching the film and, while I knew what to expect going into it, it also had more depth than I imagined it would. It's easy to write it off as a mid-60s, maudlin romance film, but it's more than that. I plan to wait several months and view it again.

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It was a great look at the difference in lifestyles the lead characters have along with its pros and cons. Makes it all the more prominent considering it was filmed at the time when a generataion were seeking alternative lifestyles.

"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not".

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Very nice capture of the film. Thanks.
I really liked it, gave it 8/10.
However, I think you're ascribing it more depth than it deserves. The whole "Sandpiper-freedom"-bit is basically written on our noses. :D

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Burton DID NOT play a CATHOLIC boarding school headmaster, one quick way to know this is that he was married. Catholic priests cannot marry, period. He is an Episcopal priest (headmaster).

Although some of the trappings are similar and can easily fool you, the marriage part makes it incontrovertible (he also had children).

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You're right, he was definitely not Catholic. The judge told Laura it was an Episcopalian school so presumably so is Hewitt. That said, I should mention, while it is rare, there are a few Catholic priests out there who are both married and have children.

Usually they were already ordained when they converted from another faith. They already met some of the requirements so they were allowed to become Catholic priests even though they had wives and children.

By the way, Catholic nuns remain unmarried because they are technically, or I should say spiritually, married to Christ. Priest, on the other hand, are unmarried because it allows them to devote their time and full attention to their work/parish. Being married would split their priorities. It would be hypocritical to neglect one's own family while preaching to others they have to honor their familial responsibilities.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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I stand corrected "mdonin', I knew this fact, and happened to forget it, I appreciate your correction, most people do not know this. And in my opinion it is rather unfair.

Of course remember there are many thousands of priests (not catholic) and ministers of the faith that handle their families and their parishioners just fine, in fact with the help and support of their families, as well as their experience with having a marriage and family, many think that they can counsel the married parishioners better!

Also another silly reason the Vatican uses for not only letting priests not marry or women joining the priesthood, is because all of Jesus's disciples were male, of course they like to leave out Mary Magdalena among many others.

Which is why at least in America & Europe the Seminary's are empty (almost) and since my last trip to Europe the Church's are empty, and more and more people opt to live together and have children rather than get married, this is much more common in Europe than USA.

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vivlinglee says > Also another silly reason the Vatican uses for not only letting priest not marry or women joining the priesthood, is because all of Jesus's disciples were male, of course they like to leave out Mary Magdalena among many others.
I'm Catholic so I have grown up knowing that priests and nuns take a vow of celibacy. I've never found it unusual nor did I ever have a problem with it. I believed it was done for good reasons and represented one of many sacrifices they had to make to live the life of their choosing.

I like traditions but I know why easing those rules might encourage more young people to pursue those vocations. They are very much needed in the church. Still, I have a hard time imagining what it would be like if that rule suddenly changed.

I enjoy watching the PBS show Grantchester on Masterpiece but I find myself feeling very uncomfortable watching the vicar interact with women in an intimate or sexual way. Obviously, he is not a Catholic priest so the same rules don't apply but it's still very weird for me. I don't think I'm ready to see my parish priest walking down the street holding hands with his latest girlfriend.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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mdonln - I am C of E (Church of England), and I would find that in the opposite. My in-laws were catholic and there was a particular young priest who we called Father Steve, he worked with youth and the homeless, a wonderful man. I heard later on that he left the priesthood, not because of the celibacy rule. but because of many other rules that did not make sense. I know one was that he could not marry us unless in was in church, he told us that 'God is everywhere, esp. outdoors in nature (where we wanted to marry). I am sure he went on to do great things.

PS: I love Grantchester too!

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vivlinglee - that's not the first time I've heard that complaint. It goes without saying that God is everywhere; everyone knows that. However, in the Catholic Church, marriage is a Holy Sacrament. It makes sense it should be done in the Church where we go to worship and pray. It's not just a commitment the couple makes to each other but also a commitment to God before everyone in attendance.

I find it odd that an ordained priest would fail to understand that and leave the church over something like that. A lot of people both outside of the church and even some within it complain about the Church having rules. They say the rules make little or no sense. I always find it strange because these people only ever seem to have a problem with the Church's rules.

I always remind them that everything has rules and for good reason. These people who complain watch and play sports, for instance, and they never questions those rules; however silly they may be. They drive and own cars, take trips, and pay taxes. All these have rules which have to be followed but how dare the Church have rules? That doesn't make any sense to me. What does make sense is this: instead of priests having to figure out which places are acceptable to marry people every time they're asked to do a marriage ceremony, they can simply say the marriage must take place in the church - period.

The ceremony has to be in the church but the reception can be held outside if they want. Why not do that? The people who complain probably wonder why the location of the wedding is so important. I ask the same thing. If the location of the wedding is more important than the wedding itself, doesn't that say something? I question the couple's motives in getting married. If they are truly people of their faith, it shouldn't be an issue. It is, after all, called a 'church wedding' as opposed to a civil ceremony so it stands to reason it should be in a church. Being there makes it clear that's exactly what this is, a church sanctioned wedding. In the Catholic church, technically, no other marriage is legit. I know people who have been 'married' for ages and have children but still feel shame because they were not married in the Church. Again, it's a sacrament; it means something.

Also, every time I go to a church wedding, the priest says everyone there is supposed to help the couple keep their holy vows by supporting and encouraging the union. I think everything said in a church tends to carry more weight, at least it does to me. I have been to weddings in other locations. They're different, the feeling is very different - not as solemn.

By the way, I don't speak for the church. I'm expressing my own views.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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Point taken, thanks - not that it matters much to the themes.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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gorgsharpy says > They are trapped in different worlds. And the worlds could not meet. One might have hoped we had done better half a century later.
If ever there were two people who should never have gotten together it was these two, Laura and Hewitt. Trying to force the situation for superficial reasons obviously could not change anything. Hewitt may have started losing his way long before he met Laura but his faith was very important to him. Laura was equally committed to her way of life and had always lived a free-wheeling lifestyle.

Thinking they were in love was a momentary distraction. They could focus on each other instead of the truth of their lives but that would not last long. Some people just should not be together. They end up ruining not only their lives but the lives of others around and close to them.

I'm not saying Laura and Hewitt should never have met. I believe their paths crossed for a reason. Many people come in and out of our lives. I think they all play some role though it may not always be obvious.

In the movie, Laura helps bring Hewitt back to the values he once held dear. His wife shared those values but both had allowed themselves to drift away from them. Hewitt helped Laura find hope and release much of her negative views of the world and other people especially men. They did not have to sleep together to get the benefit of knowing each other.

Now that sex has become so easy and casual, it seems to be the only way some people are able to relate to each other. If they feel any attraction or have strong feelings for another person, they feel they must have sex. For some people it doesn't matter if the person is the opposite sex or the same sex.

In my opinion, a lot of people have become confused. As we see on these boards, anytime there is a strong relationship between two people, if they are of the same sex some viewers assume it's something gay; if they are opposite sexes, they assume there should do whatever it takes to be together even if it means cheating on their spouses, leaving their families, and ruining lives. It's sad!


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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Yeah, I got it. You and your bible.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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