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Did this cause discord in Czechoslovakia?


Did this movie upset Slovaks by showing their complicity in the Holocaust? Were the producers and director Czechs or Slovaks?

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This matter is much more complex. Almost every country in Europe dealt with Nazi collaborants, even in France there were hundreds of thousands of traitors. Czechoslovakia was split by the betrayal of Britain, France, Italy and Germany (Munich Agreement, 1938). While the Czech part became the protectorate of Germany, Slovakia formed a separate state with a puppet government. In 1944, the Slovak resistance movement launched Slovak national uprising, which was an attempt to liberate the country from Nazi rule. This movement had wide popular support and guerilla fighting continued until the liberation of Slovakia by Soviet army.

Director Jan Kadar was of Hungarian origin.

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blablalba....Slovakia broke up with Czechs before Czech lands got under the German rule and declared its own Clericfashist state. Slovaks even helped Germans to attack Poland, Russia...no other country in CEE exterminated its complete Jewish population in several weeks like Slovaks did right after the war started. Jews controlled 70% of Slovak industry and once they got rid of them, Slovaks started to fight for the Jewish property... In recent BBC document on Auschwitz the Slovaks were signed as the most eager German helpers in the first years of war - They really managed to put their Jews on trains to Osvetim within two months... Also Slovak National Uprising was not at all an uprising, but a small action sparked by the CS army in Russia which failed as the Russian/CS troops did not reach Slovakia in time and the few partisans (not exactly Slovaks) operating there were not able to defend themselves against the German counterattack. As for this movie, this is objectively more a Czech than Slovak achievement as Slovakia has not been able to look objectively on its history - it has not till now... it is by the way the only country in this region which so far has not returned and has not even compensated the survivors of its Jewish holocaust. You guys really believe that Slovaks would ever make such a movie if even talking of holocaust is still a tabu in Slovakia?

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wow, so much effort put into this flamebait and all for nothing
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you made it too obvious, man

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Well, I don't know when your message was written, but it turns out that the Slovaks themselves did make a movie on the same topic, called "Nedordzany Slub" (in English it is called 'Broken Promise'), based on a book by a survivor, Martin Friedman, who was also given the name Petrasek in false documents and managed to hide among partisans. Broken Promise also shows a few decent Slovaks among many Jew haters. In particular it also shows the antisemitism among the partisans as well. This movie is recent (2009) and is the Slovak entry for the Academy Awards.
But in my view, from an artistic point of view the two movies do not compare, The Shop on Main Street is much more powerful.

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I'm pretty sure the main writer, Ladislav Grosman, is Slovak.

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Yes, my father, Ladislav Grosman, was born in Humenne. He moved to Prague in 1945, right after the war and completed his university degrees in Czech. He wrote the original story in Slovak and the screenplay in Czech

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I am pretty sure that the name is Jewish, so the writer is probably a Slovak Jew. There were 90,000 Jews in Slovakia before the war (numbers taken from another recent movie on this topic), and only 1500 have survived.

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in time when this film was made, there was absolutly no place for open discussion there was only communist party doctrine about WWII


"Think about it on the tree of woe...."

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Wlacho is entirely right about this. The only thing that mattered was whether the film fit with Communist ideology (don't get me wrong, this film was not propaganda and was excellent, what I mean is that it doesn't contradict Communist ideology - East bloc filmmakers of that period had to be careful and clever not to cross the line). The Communists were always happy about anything that portrayed the crimes of the Nazis and their collaborators (of course, nobody could breath a word about their own crimes). I just read an interesting piece in the Czech newspaper about a boy who survived Lidice (a Czech village that was wiped off the map in retaliation for the resistance's assasination of the Nazi leader in Czech and Moravia, Heydrich, everyone over 15 was killed, and suitable children were sent to the Reich to be adopted by Germans). When he returned after the War, he was a valuable item for the Communists, because as a survivor of one of the worst Nazi atrocities in that country, he could be used by the Communists as a propaganda tool. Unfortunately for him, he committed what was in the Communist's eyes a great heresy - he fell in love with and had a child with the daughter of a big landowner (you know, a class enemy). So he couldn't be used as a propaganda tool, and that sealed his fate; he became oppressed by the regime.

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Answer on your question: Ján Kadár was Slovak, although he was born in Budapest.
Ida Kaminska was polish, Jozef Króner was Slovak.. In first place, this is the only movie, which won Oscar (although production was Czech). It is shot in SVK, it talks slovak etc.. On the other hand, Slovaks was/are not upset by the theme. As in other post-WWII era countries, some of collaborants still lives. Situation in Slovakia was little different, because president Tiso was also a catholic pastor. (They executed him after war.)
Historians & public cannot negotiate position about his historical role. One (mostly nationalists & neofasists) saying he was a hero, who saved republic etc. Others saying he was a devil, who payed germany 500 crowns for deporting slovak jews to treblinka, oswiencim.. Catholic church is making no replies. Silencio.
Officialities, detto.
Last time this theme was revived on a TV discussion program. They played a document about jews from Zlate Moravce, who escaped from deportation & after many years returned to their birthplace.. Talking about hate etc. After that they were talking about a shot taken on street (poll) - an old guardsman defending deportations, hate, killing.. saying things like we were in war even today...

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I traveled extensively through what was once call Eastern (aka, Soviet ruled) Europe, soon after the Russians left. Slovakia is a beautiful country, and we met many good people, and had a great trip. But it was the only country where we felt any sense of anti-semitism. When traveling through the High Tatra Mountains, a room finding service sent us to an apartment, and when the owners saw our Jewish names on the passports, they slammed the door shut. I certainly would NOT use that to make any comment about the Slovaks, but couldn't help but think about their behavior during the war. You have to find some balance between obsessing about history, and forgetting it altogether. It's never easy.

On the other hand, in Sofia, Bulgaria, there's a "Saving the Jews Museum", showing the true history of their people during the war, when they refused to hand over the Jews. Even in the smallest towns, people, when they saw we were Jewish, told us about the country's history.

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